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re: Drew Brees vs. Kurt Warner (At their Best)
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:22 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:22 am to MrFreakinMiyagi
Drew Brees and it's not close.
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Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:23 am to CocoLoco
When I said trash I was mocking the comment I was replying to calling Warner trash....but the rest of my comment still stands
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:24 am to Rittdog
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Are you saying Marc Bulger or Trent Green wouldnt have put up #s in the Saints system?
No, I'm saying Warner's best was with a top 2 supporting cast with whom even mediocre (at best) qbs had success.
Brees has never had that luxury, yet has still put up ridiculous numbers.
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:25 am to LL012697
Warner is garbage he threw 3 routes and he had better WR than NO
In college he threw 1 route
In college he threw 1 route
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:29 am to LL012697
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And the answer to the original question is Warner...at his best kI'm not sure I've seen anyone better
Good God
:casmuthafrickinty:
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:30 am to sms151t
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In college he threw 1 route
not really relevant at all to this discussion however
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:31 am to LL012697
Drew Brees Best Seasons
2009: 34 TD 11 INT 70.6% COMP 4388 YARDS 109.6 RTG
2011: 46 TD 14 INT 71.2% COMP 5476 YARDS 110.6 RTG
Kurt Warner Best Seasons
1999: 41TD 13 INT 65.1% COMP 4353 YARDS 109.2 RTG
2001: 36TD 22INT 68.7% COMP 4830 YARDS 101.4 RTG
Warner has NEVER had a season like Brees in 2011. Not many people have seasons that compare though. When looking at their best, Brees was more accurate than Warner, and more accurate than anyone ever statistically. Both ran/run high octane offenses, but Warner at his best was not as efficient or accurate as Brees.
We will all agree that Warner's "best" was with the Rams.
There are 3 very good seasons, and the rest is terrible. Yes, he played solid ball with Arizona, but those weren't his best years.
Compared to Brees, whose better seasons out weigh Warner, and has not had a bad season, in New Orleans.
I don't even see an argument here.
2009: 34 TD 11 INT 70.6% COMP 4388 YARDS 109.6 RTG
2011: 46 TD 14 INT 71.2% COMP 5476 YARDS 110.6 RTG
Kurt Warner Best Seasons
1999: 41TD 13 INT 65.1% COMP 4353 YARDS 109.2 RTG
2001: 36TD 22INT 68.7% COMP 4830 YARDS 101.4 RTG
Warner has NEVER had a season like Brees in 2011. Not many people have seasons that compare though. When looking at their best, Brees was more accurate than Warner, and more accurate than anyone ever statistically. Both ran/run high octane offenses, but Warner at his best was not as efficient or accurate as Brees.
We will all agree that Warner's "best" was with the Rams.
There are 3 very good seasons, and the rest is terrible. Yes, he played solid ball with Arizona, but those weren't his best years.
Compared to Brees, whose better seasons out weigh Warner, and has not had a bad season, in New Orleans.
I don't even see an argument here.
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:31 am to VerlanderBEAST
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If you put a prime Marc Bulger on the Saints there would be little drop off
"Little" drop off from Brees to Bulger?
This post was edited on 7/28/13 at 12:34 am
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:32 am to LL012697
Yes because he could throw a dig in college.
So he kept the dig, added a go, and a fade in his best years. Those routes are okay in AFL and a Dome but not outside, which is why he struggled in NY and GB.
Jay Johnson was 10x better QB than Warner was at UNI
So he kept the dig, added a go, and a fade in his best years. Those routes are okay in AFL and a Dome but not outside, which is why he struggled in NY and GB.
Jay Johnson was 10x better QB than Warner was at UNI
This post was edited on 7/28/13 at 12:34 am
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:33 am to sms151t
You're not a coach in the NFL - don't pretend you are.
"Watching Kurt Warner dissect Green Bay's No. 2 ranked defense in Sunday's record-breaking shootout, it struck me that 10 years ago this very month we first witnessed Warner on a national stage, putting on the kind of virtuoso performance that finished off the Packers.
Consider this: The two bookends of Warner's NFL postseason career at the moment are his five-touchdown, 391-yard, 27-of-33 passing day in the Rams' wild 49-37 NFC divisional round defeat of Minnesota on Jan. 16, 2000 -- his first-ever playoff appearance -- and his equally ridiculous masterpiece Sunday against Green Bay, when he was 29 of 33, for 379 yards, and five touchdowns in Arizona's unforgettable 51-45 overtime win.
To have one five-touchdown playoff game on your résumé is a feat. To have done it twice, almost a decade apart to the day, at age 28, and again at 38, is simply remarkable. Only Oakland's Daryle Lamonica and Warner have twice thrown for five touchdowns in the postseason.
The math alone for Warner from those two playoff games is mind-boggling: 56 of 66 passing, for 770 yards, 10 touchdowns, and 100 points scored, with just one interception. Warner is now 9-3 in his career as a playoff starter, but how can he ever top the first or last chapters in his postseason saga, when he played two of the closest-to-perfect games ever turned in by an NFL quarterback?
Warner's head coach of 10 years ago, the Rams' Dick Vermeil, watched his former quarterback's latest playoff work of art on Sunday from his home in southeast Pennsylvania. In Vermeil's eyes, it was Warner's finest hour ever, and maybe the signature game of his NFL career. He hopes it finally pushes Warner's Hall of Fame candidacy into slam-dunk territory.
"It's amazing,'' Vermeil said, on the phone. "That performance on Sunday was a Hall of Fame performance. I mean no disrespect, but if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning had done the same thing, people would be going bonzai. But Kurt Warner does it, and it's, 'Well, he had a great game.' But they move on.''
Why, I asked Vermeil, is Warner still underappreciated, even after everything he's done in his rather unique playing career?
"I just think many commentators and people in the media are hesitant to give Kurt the same amount of credit, maybe because of his background, and how he came up without the pedigree,'' Vermeil said. "And he's not a glamour guy. He's not dating models. He's just a low-key, super human being. A devout Christian and an outstanding football player. He doesn't draw attention to himself, other than when he plays on Sundays."
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"Watching Kurt Warner dissect Green Bay's No. 2 ranked defense in Sunday's record-breaking shootout, it struck me that 10 years ago this very month we first witnessed Warner on a national stage, putting on the kind of virtuoso performance that finished off the Packers.
Consider this: The two bookends of Warner's NFL postseason career at the moment are his five-touchdown, 391-yard, 27-of-33 passing day in the Rams' wild 49-37 NFC divisional round defeat of Minnesota on Jan. 16, 2000 -- his first-ever playoff appearance -- and his equally ridiculous masterpiece Sunday against Green Bay, when he was 29 of 33, for 379 yards, and five touchdowns in Arizona's unforgettable 51-45 overtime win.
To have one five-touchdown playoff game on your résumé is a feat. To have done it twice, almost a decade apart to the day, at age 28, and again at 38, is simply remarkable. Only Oakland's Daryle Lamonica and Warner have twice thrown for five touchdowns in the postseason.
The math alone for Warner from those two playoff games is mind-boggling: 56 of 66 passing, for 770 yards, 10 touchdowns, and 100 points scored, with just one interception. Warner is now 9-3 in his career as a playoff starter, but how can he ever top the first or last chapters in his postseason saga, when he played two of the closest-to-perfect games ever turned in by an NFL quarterback?
Warner's head coach of 10 years ago, the Rams' Dick Vermeil, watched his former quarterback's latest playoff work of art on Sunday from his home in southeast Pennsylvania. In Vermeil's eyes, it was Warner's finest hour ever, and maybe the signature game of his NFL career. He hopes it finally pushes Warner's Hall of Fame candidacy into slam-dunk territory.
"It's amazing,'' Vermeil said, on the phone. "That performance on Sunday was a Hall of Fame performance. I mean no disrespect, but if Tom Brady or Peyton Manning had done the same thing, people would be going bonzai. But Kurt Warner does it, and it's, 'Well, he had a great game.' But they move on.''
Why, I asked Vermeil, is Warner still underappreciated, even after everything he's done in his rather unique playing career?
"I just think many commentators and people in the media are hesitant to give Kurt the same amount of credit, maybe because of his background, and how he came up without the pedigree,'' Vermeil said. "And he's not a glamour guy. He's not dating models. He's just a low-key, super human being. A devout Christian and an outstanding football player. He doesn't draw attention to himself, other than when he plays on Sundays."
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Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:34 am to CocoLoco
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I don't even see an argument here.
There isn't one.
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:34 am to CocoLoco
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I don't even see an argument here.
Well for one you're comparing stats from 99 and 01 with stats from 2009 and 2011....why not just throw Matt stafford and cam newton ahead of Warner as well
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:39 am to Zamoro10
Did you see Warner or Johnson play at UNI?
He threw the dig to Mosley all day and every game Kenny Shedd would beat you deep because the Dig was so prominent in TA's offense.
He threw the dig to Mosley all day and every game Kenny Shedd would beat you deep because the Dig was so prominent in TA's offense.
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:39 am to LL012697
Warner's 154.1 passer rating against Green Bay was the second highest in NFL playoff history, trailing only the perfect 158.3 rating that Manning hung up against Denver in a wild-card round win in 2004. Warner's career 104.6 playoff passer rating now trails only a tick behind league-leading Bart Starr (104.8) of the Green Bay dynasty in the 1960s.
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Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:41 am to LL012697
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Well for one you're comparing stats from 99 and 01 with stats from 2009 and 2011....why not just throw Matt stafford and cam newton ahead of Warner as well
why stop there? There are plenty of other QB's you could discredit.
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:42 am to Zamoro10
If you wanna go post season play; while they are close, Brees has been slightly better and this category as well.
Warner post season: 102.38 RTG 66.6% 31TD 14INT
Brees post season: 102.4 RTG 67.26% 22TD 4INT
Warner post season: 102.38 RTG 66.6% 31TD 14INT
Brees post season: 102.4 RTG 67.26% 22TD 4INT
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:44 am to LooseCannon22282
So you don't see the flaw in comparing stats one for one during that 10 year time frame?
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:44 am to LL012697
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Well for one you're comparing stats from 99 and 01 with stats from 2009 and 2011....why not just throw Matt stafford and cam newton ahead of Warner as well
I'm comparing the best seasons from each of them, which is part of the topic. Did Stafford or Newton put up multiple very good seasons? No.
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:54 am to CocoLoco
That isn't the point....in 1999 and 2001, defenses could actually play defense. If you're going to use inflated stats from the last 3-4 years to make the argument that his peak is better, you could say multiple inferior qbs are better as well. And fwiw, I acknowledged that brees is without a doubt a better qb than Warner, I just think Warner had the better peak
This post was edited on 7/28/13 at 12:55 am
Posted on 7/28/13 at 12:54 am to LL012697
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So you don't see the flaw in comparing stats one for one during that 10 year time frame?
In some cases, sure. However, Warner was part of a pass happy offense unlike anything seen for the time period. I don't think it's really that far off. People claim the "Greatest Show on Turf" is the best offense of all time, and they were known for high tempo, unstoppable offense. Sounds kinda like what the Saints did in 09 and 11 to me. I think they are a pretty fair comparison, and the teams offenses are as well.
If you argue Brees playing in a different time period, and count that against his stats, you should also include the fact that Warner had a much better supporting cast.
I think Warner was phenomenal, but I just can't see the argument for him being better than Brees. Just my opinion though. I'll just respectfully disagree with you.
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