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Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:01 am to Zamoro10
quote:And Peyton freaking Manning ain't completing passes to No-Hands Magee.
Jerry freaking Rice ain't catching balls bounced to him.
What's your point?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:05 am to BeaverPRO
Ask Robert Meachem.
Or Alvin Harper.
Or Alvin Harper.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:06 am to genro
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quote: Jerry freaking Rice ain't catching balls bounced to him. And Peyton freaking Manning ain't completing passes to No-Hands Magee.
This thread is officially stupid
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:11 am to WG_Dawg
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You can make a case for both, but I think it I had to pick one it's the WR making the QB. Look at UGA 2009 for proof.
Joe Cox was a pretty pedestrian QB, yet he set a UGA touchdowns in a season record. Why? Well, he had AJ Green to throw to. If you have a receiver that you can essentially throw the ball anywhere within about 7 yards of him and he's gonna catch it everytime, it can damn sure make a QB look good.
A burner receiver with good hands, can do a lot more for a mediocre QB in college than in the NFL.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:13 am to Y.A. Tittle
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A burner receiver with good hands, can do a lot more for a mediocre QB in college than in the NFL.
Right, I was just giving an example from college. In the NFL the QBs and WRs SHOULD all be fairly competent since they're playing the NFL. So a great QB like peyton can make average receivers look good. I just think it'd be easier for a great receiver to make an average QB look great.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:22 am to genro
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And Peyton freaking Manning ain't completing passes to No-Hands Magee.
except we can assume, at least at the NFL level a base level of competence. There are not 5'8" 5.25 40 WR's that literally can't catch running around in the NFL.
I will take Peyton Manning and any set of WR's in the NFL over Arizona's WR's and QB's.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:23 am to H-Town Tiger
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except we can assume, at least at the NFL level a base level of competence. There are not 5'8" 5.25 40 QB's that literally can't throw running around in the NFL
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:26 am to WG_Dawg
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I just think it'd be easier for a great receiver to make an average QB look great.
I couldn't disagree with that more. See the Arizona Cardinals. Andre Johnson did not make David Carr look great in any way. The 49er's traded for Steve Young after Montana had a back injury in 86. When he was out Rice did not make Jeff Kemp look great. The Cowboys had Irvin and Noveck the year before they drafted Aikman, how did those QB's do?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:28 am to genro
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genro
touche, now can you explain the Arizona Cardinals for me? They have Larry Fitzgerald, one of the best WR's in the league, their QB's are garbage.
QB is a much more important position.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:29 am to H-Town Tiger
great QB's make average/underrated WR's look good.
Brees --> his receiving corp
Brady --> his receiving corp
Manning (now) --> his receiving corp
great receivers make average QB's look better
anquan boldin/torrey smith --> joe flacco
shitty qb's making great receivers look horrible
any arizona QB --> fitz
Brees --> his receiving corp
Brady --> his receiving corp
Manning (now) --> his receiving corp
great receivers make average QB's look better
anquan boldin/torrey smith --> joe flacco
shitty qb's making great receivers look horrible
any arizona QB --> fitz
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:30 am to craigbiggio
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Receiver make the QB
Source: Atlanta
With Atlanta's receiving core I could name 10 QB's who would break every record around.
This post was edited on 3/13/13 at 10:31 am
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:33 am to Jumbeauxlaya
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With Atlanta's receiving core I could name 10 QB's who would break every record around.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:34 am to BeaverPRO
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Chicken and egg argument.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:35 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:And yet Larry still puts up great numbers. I think you're proving my point, not yours.
They have Larry Fitzgerald, one of the best WR's in the league, their QB's are garbage.
The truth is a great WR can make a QB. A great QB can make a WR. Sometimes both. Sometimes neither. There's no simple black and white answer here.
And we've seen several examples of both occurrences. I don't know why some people (not talking to you in particular) seem to think it's hardline one way or the other.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:38 am to Y.A. Tittle
The Falcons comments are just people bashing Matt Ryan because they don't like him. He is a very good QB and it's not just because he has great WR's. What did Roddy White do before Ryan? He had one good season in 2007 and his number's got better once they drafted Ryan.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:42 am to H-Town Tiger
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What did Roddy White do before Ryan? He had one good season in 2007 and his number's got better once they drafted Ryan.
Wait wait wait, the only way a receiver gets better over time is if his QB gets better?
He can't practice, try harder, learn more or get in better shape?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:43 am to genro
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They have Larry Fitzgerald, one of the best WR's in the league, their QB's are garbage.
And yet Larry still puts up great numbers. I think you're proving my point, not yours.
Is the point that a single WR putting up "great numbers" with a mediocre QB is somehow "making a QB"?
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:51 am to BeaverPRO
literal summary of this thread: well QBs usually make receivers but not matt ryan.
jesus christ yall are just sad. clearly it isnt a mutually beneficial relationship between good players. no. not at all.
jesus christ yall are just sad. clearly it isnt a mutually beneficial relationship between good players. no. not at all.
Posted on 3/13/13 at 10:54 am to genro
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And yet Larry still puts up great numbers. I think you're proving my point, not yours
quite the contray. Despite the fact he puts up numbers, their QB's are garbage. If a great WR can make a WR, why doesn't Fitz?
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And we've seen several examples of both occurrences
Most of the examples are of QB's that are not elite. Stafford and Ryan are good QB's but not elite and are unfairly bashed. IMO they are not made by their WR's.
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I don't know why some people (not talking to you in particular) seem to think it's hardline one way or the other.
QB is the more important position, I don't think that is arguable. Both positions can put up good numbers even with lesser players at the other position, but it is more likely for a QB.
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