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re: Discuss: IS Jameis Winston another JaMarcus Russell??
Posted on 4/24/15 at 1:28 pm to ATLTiger
Posted on 4/24/15 at 1:28 pm to ATLTiger
Jamarcus wasn't dumb, Jamarcus wasn't untalented, Jamarcus wasn't immoral, and Jamarcus lost.
Jamarcus's problems were with a shitty organization and not enough self-discipline regarding his weight and codeine.
Jamarcus's problems were with a shitty organization and not enough self-discipline regarding his weight and codeine.
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Posted on 4/24/15 at 1:55 pm to Cole Beer
What did Russell ever win outside of the PBI (Purple Drank Invitational)?
Posted on 4/24/15 at 1:56 pm to kingbob
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Jamarcus wasn't dumb, Jamarcus wasn't untalented, Jamarcus wasn't immoral, and Jamarcus lost.
Jamarcus's problems were with a shitty organization and not enough self-discipline regarding his weight and codeine.
Sounds like Jorah describing Rhaegar.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 2:08 pm to Korin
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Sounds like Jorah describing Rhaegar.
It is known.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 2:17 pm to kingbob
"JaMarcus played valiantly, JaMarcus played nobly, JaMarcus played honorably. And JaMarcus lost."
Posted on 4/24/15 at 2:22 pm to Korin
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"JaMarcus played valiantly, JaMarcus played nobly, JaMarcus played honorably. And JaMarcus lost."
Words are wind
Posted on 4/24/15 at 2:31 pm to Cole Beer
No Jamarcus was bigger, more muscle (to go with his fat) and had hands down the best arm I've ever seen
Posted on 4/24/15 at 5:01 pm to Cole Beer
Besides physical measurements, and Jimbo, I don't see many similarities between the two. Their personalities are different, their strengths are different, and their styles are different. I often wonder when they quote anonymous "NFL personnel" if they are quoting an intern or administrative assistant; in other words, somebody who has no power or influence.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 5:24 pm to Cole Beer
Yeah, that's the way I see it.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 7:52 pm to Cole Beer
I can't fricking stand Keith Olberman but he had a good little rant today on Winston that was right on point. He was basically saying that with the image problem the NFL has right now, some team is gonna frick up and draft Winston, not in the 5th round which might make sense due to baggage but in the first round, with maybe the first pick.
Look at what a failure Manziel was last year and Winston seems even more out of control. It's gonna be a fricking disaster for whoever picks him, if for no other reason than a media tabloid shite-show.
Look at what a failure Manziel was last year and Winston seems even more out of control. It's gonna be a fricking disaster for whoever picks him, if for no other reason than a media tabloid shite-show.
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 4/24/15 at 8:21 pm to Othello
Manziel and Winston are nothing alike. Another lazy comparison.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:03 pm to boom roasted
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:05 pm to boom roasted
True Manziel isn't dealing with a civil suit of accused rape and hasn't got caught stealing anything.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:06 pm to Othello
Tabloid media shitshows don't happen in Tampa.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 9:45 pm to Othello
No. Manziel is an undersized drug addict running QB that doesn't have the drive to learn a playbook.
I mean really, what similarities do you see?
I mean really, what similarities do you see?
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 9:50 pm
Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:09 pm to NOTORlOUSD
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I think Winston is much closer personality-wise to Cam Newton. During college, both were: extremely overconfident, immature off-the-field, and surrounded by controversy. But at the same time, both were undeniably talented, focused during games, and simply did what it took to win games late.
I think there's something to this.
My gut instinct: Winston cares more than Russell. And yes, Russell had some big wins, but he never was capable of getting us over the hump. Winston OTOH nearly ran the table and had comeback win after comeback win last season. I don't blame him for the Oregon game because that was a runaway by the Ducks.
I don't want to be sappy but I think Winston has a drive to win that Russell didn't have. And also, Russell went to a crappy team. The Buccaneers will likely draft Winston, and they're not a stellar franchise but they're not atrocious either. So I think Jameis will do better.
Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:28 pm to Cole Beer
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and has tremendous athletes around him,"
yeah right, so he won't have any tremendous athletes on his team in the pros? If he goes to the Bucs he'll have a solid veteran WR (V Jackson) and a real promising young WR (M Evans) those would be his top targets.
lazy arse comment.
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They're physically talented, but during the course of a game they kind of lose their focus and just put the ball up for grabs.
so they are the only QB's to ever do this? I don't really get that either.
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according to some scouts, the penchant for turning the ball over
well Winston didn't really do that his 1st year but in his 2nd he did. Something that kind of jumped out to me though is how an average joe blow defense (Auburn) gave him some problems in the NC game. A lot of people thought they would drive at will on Auburn but Auburn's D got off the field repeatedly on 3rd down that night.
This post was edited on 4/24/15 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 4/24/15 at 11:55 pm to Cole Beer
They are so different, it's hysterical. Russell was light years ahead of what Winston is physically, in every category. The only thing personality-wise that seems similar is that they were both immature in college, but even that is in different ways.
I'm the last to play the race card, but it's almost like some idiot wanted to compare them because they are two black QBs.
I'm the last to play the race card, but it's almost like some idiot wanted to compare them because they are two black QBs.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 11:38 am to Cole Beer
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"I see the body. I see the lack of focus. I see the same coach and system. Only Winston's not as good an athlete and his arm isn't as strong as JaMarcus'."
It amazes me that people still think JaMarcus was that good of an athlete. He wasn't much better out of the pocket than Mettenberger. Flynn was much more comfortable on his feet, and he was still no athlete.
Posted on 4/25/15 at 2:46 pm to jlnoles79
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That's why Winston had so many second half comebacks last year
The comebacks were necessary because Winston was shaving points in the first half, specially against Notre Dame then even more egregiously the next week against Louisville.
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