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re: Cubs trade for Astros' Dexter Fowler
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:54 am to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:54 am to PurpleAndGold86
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Valbuena is a solid player.
"Solid"? With a .229 career batting average/ notsureifjoking
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Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:55 am to Lester Earl
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5 of your 8 regulars have OBP .300 or under, and he's not that good
I think the feeling is... Fowler is good. But not $10 million per year good. Especially considering he would not be part of the 2016 Astros lineup.
I'm still scratching my head on the Gattis trade... I didn't see where that move made the organization tremendously stronger.
Scratching even more now. Yes, both trades plug some holes. But damn if they don't expose a few others.
The team will be different this year, that's for sure.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:56 am to SportsGuyNOLA
sounds like valbueno is a poor man's Kike Hermandez
Posted on 1/19/15 at 11:57 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Keep telling yourself that while ignorantly looking at one statistic and probably never having even watched him play a game let alone an entire season.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:02 pm to bwallcubfan
It's a pretty good deal for the Astros in my opinion. Dexter Fowler is a good hitter with a good OBP, but he gets injured way too often, his defense is mediocre, and he wasn't going to be an Astro after this year so might as well get some value for him. Luis Valbuena can and should end up starting at 3B since Matt Dominguez is not very good, and Dan Straily should be able to crack the starting rotation immediately. Valbuena and Straily both have great potential and if they play up to it, it will be a great deal for us.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:05 pm to lsusportsman2
Astros got great value in this deal. Can't believe anyone is saying otherwise.
Cubs probably paid a tad higher price than value, but it's worth it when you are upgrading a major hole from positions of depth. And most importantly, not having to trade a prospect.
Almora is the CF of the future. This gets us another year closer to him and allows us to compete in 2015.
Cubs probably paid a tad higher price than value, but it's worth it when you are upgrading a major hole from positions of depth. And most importantly, not having to trade a prospect.
Almora is the CF of the future. This gets us another year closer to him and allows us to compete in 2015.
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:37 pm to PurpleAndGold86
The Cubs in their 73 wins last year, actually got some career years from players, such as Valbuena and especially Coghlan. Valbuena has had 2 improved years in a row, so he may just be one of those late bloomers.
Fowler walks a lot, but that's about it. He's not a particularly good defender either.
Where the Astros screwed up was Gattis. I think it was fine to package some prospects to get an outfielder in. But get a young one and a complete outfielder - they certainly could have for that package. Gattis is a Trumbo type.
Fowler walks a lot, but that's about it. He's not a particularly good defender either.
Where the Astros screwed up was Gattis. I think it was fine to package some prospects to get an outfielder in. But get a young one and a complete outfielder - they certainly could have for that package. Gattis is a Trumbo type.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:38 pm to bwallcubfan
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opens third base up for baseball's top prospect, Kris Bryant. Likely will arrive sometime in May
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:40 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
It's 2015, no one cares about average anymore.
Altuve won a batting title and Fowler got on base at the same clip as him.
Valbuena was solid butCubs needed a veteran OF. After all Valbuena was a waiver pickup by Cubs.
Altuve won a batting title and Fowler got on base at the same clip as him.
Valbuena was solid butCubs needed a veteran OF. After all Valbuena was a waiver pickup by Cubs.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:42 pm to Lester Earl
Fowler is not near the player Altuve is. I really liked Fowler, don't get me wrong. I just find it humorous that the Astros got trade raped in this deal.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:44 pm to CQQ
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Keep telling yourself that while ignorantly looking at one statistic and probably never having even watched him play a game let alone an entire season.
Jeff Luhnow, is that you?
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:44 pm to CQQ
I'm just saying, OBP is the new Avg. Fowler isn't as good overall but despite the difference in average, they get on base the same amount.
Valbuena was .340 OBP despite a low average. That's better than league average
Valbuena was .340 OBP despite a low average. That's better than league average
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:45 pm to Overbrook
Fowler is a Ken Griffen jr. Clone
This post was edited on 1/19/15 at 12:45 pm
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:46 pm to Lester Earl
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Valbuena was solid butCubs needed a veteran OF
Bingo. Cubs have been after a veteran outfielder since the winter meetings, they needed some speed, they needed higher OBP and they wanted a true leadoff man. They got all of those in one player.
Obviously a move the Cubs felt strongly about since they gave up Straily (a major league ready starting pitcher) and 2 years of Luis Valbuena for 1 year of Fowler.
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After all Valbuena was a waiver pickup by Cubs.
And improved pretty significantly in his time in Chicago and became a very under appreciated player that produces a quality at bat almost every PA and sees a ton of pitches.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:47 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
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Jeff Luhnow, is that you?
Nice.
Sorry you don't understand what the hell you're talking about.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:50 pm to Lester Earl
The young pitchers in the Gattis and Fowler deals have me intrigued. I think if anyone can access the potential, it's our pitching coach.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:50 pm to Lester Earl
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Altuve won a batting title and Fowler got on base at the same clip as him.
Yeah, but in 200+ less at bats than Altuve. No one is arguing that Fowler doesn't get on base at an elite level. He just isn't on the field enough. For his career so far, he has been equivalent to a part time player by rarely getting more than 450 ABs in a season.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:51 pm to Lester Earl
Fowler's a walker. That's his skill.
Valbuena had an OPS about the same as Fowler.
Trade looks good for both teams to me.
Valbuena had an OPS about the same as Fowler.
Trade looks good for both teams to me.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:51 pm to TTownTiger
And his career OBP is like 366.
Altuve only touched that in what will be his career year.
Altuve only touched that in what will be his career year.
Posted on 1/19/15 at 12:56 pm to Lester Earl
I like this deal for both sides, but I actually think thought that Fowler would be a straight swap for Valbuena. Getting Straily as well makes this a nice return for the Astros. Both Fowler and Valbuena do a great job of getting on base.
I always liked Fowler, so I am excited to see him as a Cub.
I always liked Fowler, so I am excited to see him as a Cub.
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