re: Craig Biggio becomes 1st Astro inducted into baseball hall of fame

get real. No way you actually believe all that.

If he played for the Yankees, posting the exact same stats the media (the same people who vote for the HOF) would have been all over his nuts. He would have had more post season opportunities, the New York platform probably would have won him an MVP and he would have been way more visible than he was in Houston.

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Yea that is dumb, to assume because of where he played dictated him being a 1st ballot HoF.
Jeter will be but it has a lot to do with him being the focal point on several World Series teams, the 3k hits, among other things.
Biggio isn't a 1st ballot because he was a compiler, nothing wrong with that but he doesn't have anything that sticks out. He has no memorable postseason plays, nothing in all-star game, and honestly nothing during the season. Being a steady producer who was behind bigger stars (such as Bagwell) hurt him more than the market.

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This is contradictory T,Jeter was a steady producer with bigger stars around him...what made him a star in New York was in large part that he was a homegrown "true" Yankee something that fanbase holds near and dear.

Rivera is the only guy on those Yankee teams that deserves to be first ballot.

It's not the "hall of stats, it's the hall of fame." I think you could walk up to almost any half arse baseball fan and they would know who Craig Biggio is. The folks that deserve the "shouldn't be there" treatment is players like Bert Blyleven (sp?).

Are you from NY? Not sure I've seen it asked before so forgive me.

What made him a star was the iconic plays... And what he did in October/November.... Jeffery Mair, the flip, the dive, etc those things signified Jeter. Did he always have the best numbers? No Bernie, O'Neil, Martinez, ARod, Giambi, all produced larger offense numbers but Jeter has the perception of coming up with the big play.

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Biggio was a compiler, give me one iconic Biggio play. He deserves to be in the HOF but the difference between Keter and him is iconic plays and World Series rings. Jeter did it on the biggest stage, Biggio has not. Biggio was also overshadowed by Bagwell, Ken Caminiti, Lance Berkman, even Derek Bell during his career which hurts his perceptions.

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You act like in baseball one man can carry a team to the World Series

Jeter was surrounded by talent because he played on a team willing to spend. That is why he got to deliver on the big stage so many times because his teams were always good

Biggio played for Astros teams that were good but its not like he could single handedly carry them through the playoffs.

The Yankees of 96-2000 spent on players that came up through the system, Knoblach, Wells, Tino, Brosius, O'Neil came the way of trades. After 2000 the Yankees started spending like crazy and in turn they didn't exactly win again until 2009. Those teams from 96-99 were build around players that came up through the system and players the Yankees obtained though trades.

Actually you just cemented my point.

If Biggio had been in NY, he would have had rings and an opportunity to make more memorable plays.

How so? I asked and I am still waiting for a signature play from Biggio... he did everything very unassuming, he was never the best player on the team, he never led the league in hits or batting average two things writers (not just from NY) still find important. He led the league in doubles 3 times, runs twice, and stolen bases once.
Biggio was a great player but outside of plays that signify his career, or stats that writers find mean something, he wasn't going to be a first ballot. If he played in New York with the same stats, he doesn't go in first ballot, he gets in earlier but still not a first ballot.

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Kent had a higher peak than Biggio

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for what, 2 years? ...