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Common coaching decisions you do not agree with
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 8:58 pm
What are some commonly used coaching strategies which you disagree with?
Two in particular stick out in my mind.
1) in general I think coaches should go for it more on 4th down. 4th and 3 or less, and I would always strongly consider going for it depending on field position and game situation. Obviously it would cost you sometimes but I think if you consistently went for it, it would be a net positive. Coaches seem to follow an unwritten rule that says they had to punt or kick a field goal in certain spots on the field, even if it's 4th and 1 or inches. I think that has a lot to do with coaching not to lose, knowing that if it doesn't work they will be blamed for the call. Regardless, I would attempt a lot of 4th downs.
2) sitting best players in basketball because of foul trouble. I know you don't want your best player to foul out. But when they pick up two quick fouls, and you sit them for the remainder of the quarter/half, I feel you have essentially fouled them out. You might ensure they play the last two minutes, but you've given the opponent the benefit of 10+ minutes without your best player to hurt them early on, all while not even forcing them to make him foul out.
Two in particular stick out in my mind.
1) in general I think coaches should go for it more on 4th down. 4th and 3 or less, and I would always strongly consider going for it depending on field position and game situation. Obviously it would cost you sometimes but I think if you consistently went for it, it would be a net positive. Coaches seem to follow an unwritten rule that says they had to punt or kick a field goal in certain spots on the field, even if it's 4th and 1 or inches. I think that has a lot to do with coaching not to lose, knowing that if it doesn't work they will be blamed for the call. Regardless, I would attempt a lot of 4th downs.
2) sitting best players in basketball because of foul trouble. I know you don't want your best player to foul out. But when they pick up two quick fouls, and you sit them for the remainder of the quarter/half, I feel you have essentially fouled them out. You might ensure they play the last two minutes, but you've given the opponent the benefit of 10+ minutes without your best player to hurt them early on, all while not even forcing them to make him foul out.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:02 pm to Tigerfan56
I agree with #1 to a certain extent. I always feel like if you can't get a yard or less when you need it then you don't deserve to win.
Disagree on #2, especially in the first half.
Disagree on #2, especially in the first half.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:03 pm to Tigerfan56
Attempting to ice a kicker, especially when they wait until the last minute
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:07 pm to BCMCubs
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Attempting to ice a kicker, especially when they wait until the last minute
This is another good one. I don't mind it. But it doesn't make sense to wait till right before the snap so the kicker essentially gets to try it. That "practice kick" to me either gives the kicker confidence he can make it, or let's him know he needs to make some sort of adjustment on the next and actual attempt
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:08 pm to BCMCubs
Agreed on that.
Anyone have a percentage on how often that works?
I've seen a few times where the kicker ends up kicking it as the timeout was taken and missing. Then after the timeout he kicks it on the money
Anyone have a percentage on how often that works?
I've seen a few times where the kicker ends up kicking it as the timeout was taken and missing. Then after the timeout he kicks it on the money
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:10 pm to Tigerfan56
Fade routes into the endzone in football. Especially on 3rd or 4th down
Nothing like a crucial late game situation where your OC draws up the fade route into the first row.
There's gotta be some numbers to show how low the success rate is
Nothing like a crucial late game situation where your OC draws up the fade route into the first row.
There's gotta be some numbers to show how low the success rate is
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:11 pm to CocoLoco
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Anyone have a percentage on how often that works?
No idea. I can understand doing to like a true freshman kicker trying to hit a game winner, but an NFL kicker? No way
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:11 pm to Tigerfan56
When a team has been dominating the line of scrimmage all game, and has held the other team's offense in check, BUT then switches to prevent defense for the final couple of series.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:12 pm to burdman
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Disagree on #2, especially in the first half.
Depends on a lot imo.
Sucks to see an impact player sit for 9 minutes in the first quarter because he picked up 2 quick ones. Takes him out of rhythm or it's harder to find a rhythm once they come back.
ETA: Even worse when the guy who sat for most of the first sits for the rest of the half after picking up a third in the first minute or two of the 2nd quarter.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:17 pm to Tigerfan56
In basketball when a team is up three points in the final seconds, they let the opposing team shoot a three pointer. In this case, only one thing has to happen for a tie-the shot is made. A better strategy is to commit a foul (not while a shot is being attempted).
In this scenario, a player has to make the first free throw, miss the second, hit the rim on that second free throw, get the offensive rebound, AND make a last second shot. That's FIVE things they have to do to tie the game.
I read an article on this where some guy researched as many games as he could find in this situation and the win percentage is MUCH higher if you foul.
In this scenario, a player has to make the first free throw, miss the second, hit the rim on that second free throw, get the offensive rebound, AND make a last second shot. That's FIVE things they have to do to tie the game.
I read an article on this where some guy researched as many games as he could find in this situation and the win percentage is MUCH higher if you foul.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:26 pm to Tigerfan56
I think any coach who wins the coin toss and doesn't defer to the second half is a moron.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:28 pm to RedMustang
quote:I think most coaches understand this. The problem is
A better strategy is to commit a foul
quote:can be tricky so they choose not to foul instead of trusting the players.
(not while a shot is being attempted)
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:28 pm to eyeran
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Eyeryan
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Fades
Can we be friends? I'll send you a request.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:36 pm to RedMustang
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In basketball when a team is up three points in the final seconds, they let the opposing team shoot a three pointer. In this case, only one thing has to happen for a tie-the shot is made. A better strategy is to commit a foul (not while a shot is being attempted).
In this scenario, a player has to make the first free throw, miss the second, hit the rim on that second free throw, get the offensive rebound, AND make a last second shot. That's FIVE things they have to do to tie the game.
I read an article on this where some guy researched as many games as he could find in this situation and the win percentage is MUCH higher if you foul.
game 3 GS vs NOP
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:49 pm to Tigerfan56
Not giving the white running back enough carries
Posted on 1/5/16 at 9:56 pm to Tigerfan56
That your best hitter in your lineup should hit in the 3 or 4 hole...
I coach HS baseball. I'm a firm believer that your best hitter should hit lead off and if not lead off, then he should hit in the 2 hole.
You are guaranteeing him at least 30-40 more at bats throughout the season. You depend in your 7,8,9 hole hitter ps to do their job and get on base. If they do that then your "lead off" becomes your "clean up."
I could go into the stats and what not but I don't have the time. Unusually the the top 6 hitters in a high school line up are interchangeable. Why not have your best hitter get the most at bats throughout the season.
We've experimented with this theory over the past 3 years and we know it works. The numbers don't lie.
I coach HS baseball. I'm a firm believer that your best hitter should hit lead off and if not lead off, then he should hit in the 2 hole.
You are guaranteeing him at least 30-40 more at bats throughout the season. You depend in your 7,8,9 hole hitter ps to do their job and get on base. If they do that then your "lead off" becomes your "clean up."
I could go into the stats and what not but I don't have the time. Unusually the the top 6 hitters in a high school line up are interchangeable. Why not have your best hitter get the most at bats throughout the season.
We've experimented with this theory over the past 3 years and we know it works. The numbers don't lie.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:00 pm to htran90
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game 3 GS vs NOP
Was at that game and screaming for them to foul
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:00 pm to Tigerfan56
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2) sitting best players in basketball because of foul trouble. I know you don't want your best player to foul out. But when they pick up two quick fouls, and you sit them for the remainder of the quarter/half, I feel you have essentially fouled them out. You might ensure they play the last two minutes, but you've given the opponent the benefit of 10+ minutes without your best player to hurt them early on, all while not even forcing them to make him foul out.
There are a lot of dumbasses on the Tiger Rant who were arguing that sitting Ben Simmons for more than a quarter of a game is a good idea. This is a player that is touted by some as the best prospect since Lebron, and you are ensuring that he plays a ceiling of 75% of the game against one of the best teams in America.
Sitting him for a little bit to rest and settle down? Sure. But a fricking quarter? This is a pretty straightforward game theory problem (theoretically). You need to adjust for certain things like more possessions typically coming in later minutes, so that makes it less than absolute. But there's just no way sitting Simmons for an entire quarter makes any sense.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:11 pm to Tigerfan56
Not really coaching but--when football teams trailing with under a minute left with no timeouts elect to try to run a play after getting a completion in bounds instead of spiking it. I see it happen throughout college and the pros.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 10:12 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 10:11 pm to burdman
quote:I'd prefer for my star player to play 33 minutes and miss the last 5 by fouling out as opposed to playing 23 minutes but playing the last 5 minutes and sitting for long stretches earlier.
Disagree on #2, especially in the first half.
The more he plays the better.
The book Scorecasting details a lot of things, including this one, and statistically shows why it's a bad idea to sit star players in foul trouble.
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