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Posted on 8/4/15 at 6:38 pm to Colonel Flagg
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I have a feeling he is just an objective boss man that takes complete control. If he has a vision then he acts on it. I don't think these guys get that he is their boss and that upsets them.
Right. Most people blame when things don't go their way too. The race card is easy to overuse.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 7:49 pm to chalmetteowl
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he's already on the way out.
Oh you....
Posted on 8/4/15 at 7:56 pm to shel311
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I'm sure that has something to do with it, but it's just a piece to the entire story
The bs leak of Desean Jackson's "gang ties" were probably much more damaging for Kelly with the black players in that lockerroom than people want to acknowledge.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 7:59 pm to NWTS_
I just find it impossible that a NFL headcoach could be a racist.
68% of the entire league is black men and Philly ' s roster is 75% black men.
68% of the entire league is black men and Philly ' s roster is 75% black men.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 8:14 pm to NWTS_
He also signed Byron Maxwell(Black) Demarco Murray (Black) Ryan Matthews (Black).
He got rid of a lot of egos in the locker room. Shady doesn't care about winning he cares about himself and getting his. The same with Desean Jackson. Maclin seemed like a selfless guy, but maybe he wanted too much money.
Chip Kelly what's things done his way, which is selfless, egoless football and doesn't care of it costs him one of the best Backs In the league. Now if he had replaced Shady with freaking Toby Gearhart and signed a white corner Id be concerned.
He got rid of a lot of egos in the locker room. Shady doesn't care about winning he cares about himself and getting his. The same with Desean Jackson. Maclin seemed like a selfless guy, but maybe he wanted too much money.
Chip Kelly what's things done his way, which is selfless, egoless football and doesn't care of it costs him one of the best Backs In the league. Now if he had replaced Shady with freaking Toby Gearhart and signed a white corner Id be concerned.
Posted on 8/4/15 at 11:06 pm to WicKed WayZ
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Chip Kelly what's things done his way, which is selfless, egoless football and doesn't care of it costs him one of the best Backs In the league.
But in a players league, he wants all the attention to be on him? Thats self centered to me; hes better off in college with that mentality.
Why are folks so up in arms in regards to him potentially being unable to understand another culture. It as if people are taking it as a personal slight against himself. Why would we assume that "not understanding a culture of men" = racist, instead of what it actually is, which is not understanding a culture of a men in your workspace? Im sure we all have coworkers who hail from or participate in cultures we arent familar with or dont understand. Its not really a shortcoming, unless you are the boss that frequently employs people from that culture
If you consider Kellys history, look at his coaching history. Look at the players he has been around -- Columbia, then New Hampshire, then John Hopkins, then NH, then Oregon for less than 5 years. Is it entirely possible that he is unfamiliar with the culture of the players that he didnt really recruit for that long. I would be that he did really get to interact with those type of players during his time at his other schools. Maybe a couple every year, but not a large percentage of his locker room.
If he cant relate, thats is okay. Its on him to solve that issue before he alienates a locker room or cant get free agents to come to his place. He cant continually trade all the good players in hopes that he'll find "his" guys in free agency-- the top of the talent pool is too little for those sheningans. Its stubborn and the sign of a weak beta "alpha" male IMO.
Belchick even had to mend his rules, and has taken on a few more "headcases" then we give him credit.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 12:35 am to WicKed WayZ
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Maclin seemed like a selfless guy, but maybe he wanted too much money.
he was highly productive but maybe Kelly is just going to flip guys quickly like that anyway. He proved that by moving McCoy, Jackson, Mathis, Maclin, and others. They just didn't resign Maclin but I'd guess it was b/c they spent a lot on Murray and Maxwell?
I think he's just a football junkie who will overthink some things from time-to-time.
he sure doesn't seem to hold QB's in high regard though... i mean they might fit his system but who in the hell is trying to kid? Nick Foles was 14-4 as a starting QB for him but they traded him to STL for a guy who is one of the unluckiest QB's of all time injury wise.
Mark Sanchez is 4-4 as starter for him and Mike Vick was 2-4.
its only Year 3 for Kelly at the helm but damn, can't ignore the activity at QB.
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 12:41 am
Posted on 8/5/15 at 12:50 am to NWTS_
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the players earn more than the coach and hes a college coach.
Thats how it goes in professional sports.
Players hint at it all the time. Look at what the players say about a guy like Brad Stevens for example
What do players say about Brad Stevens? Am I missing something?
Posted on 8/5/15 at 12:58 am to NWTS_
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But in a players league, he wants all the attention to be on him? Thats self centered to me; hes better off in college with that mentality.
I think that's smart. Keep your players out of the spotlight and out of trouble. Keep the pressure on yourself as a coach and not on the players. Don't let over inflated egos influence the locker room.
And as you stated with all the places he has coached at have all been in the North and the guy is a proven genius, a really smart guy. He's too smart to be racist, he's an opportunist. He wants to win but in his own way on his own terms. He probably has a giant ego as well but what college/NFL coach doesn't?
Posted on 8/5/15 at 1:49 am to S
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wouldnt surprise me if he is gay tbh (not that there's anything wrong with that)
He has an ex wife. It's not like he has had no life beyond football.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 5:36 am to NWTS_
You keep pushing "culture" yet continue to ignore the obvious. He has signed African American players, he has always had black players, he recruited black players, he has dealt with players like Blount in college.
The Riley thing happened, people moved on but for some players they didn't and now they are using that one incident to cast stones on Kelly. He isn't a racist any more than any other NFL coach. McCoy and Boykin were not "urban" players from the "hood" either.
The Riley thing happened, people moved on but for some players they didn't and now they are using that one incident to cast stones on Kelly. He isn't a racist any more than any other NFL coach. McCoy and Boykin were not "urban" players from the "hood" either.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 5:46 am to tduecen
This is all a result of Riley cooper's drunk dumbass... without that one incident, these discussions never happen
Posted on 8/5/15 at 6:55 am to NWTS_
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Why are folks so up in arms in regards to him potentially being unable to understand another culture
quote:That's why.
Im sure we all have coworkers who hail from or participate in cultures we arent familar with or dont understand. Its not really a shortcoming, unless you are the boss that frequently employs people from that culture
It's something he'll need to figure out pretty quickly.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:10 am to shel311
Again, can someone explain this "culture?"
He has been dealing with black players since his college days, he has other black players on the team who come from worse situations than the ones jettisoned. Until a player gives a specific example this is all about them being upset over Riley.
Riley being drunk and agitated called a black person a word that he will never live down in many people's eyes. It doesn't matter what he does, how many black players consider him friends, etc he will always be a racist to many. The fact he is still on the team perplexes some and they think race is the factor. The Eagles gave him a Co tract based on a half season worth of production, he hasn't duplicated that production and not cut. I don't know the salary cap ramifications of cutting him but that may be the reason as well.
The statements made boy Boykin contradict what Kelly and the defensive coach said. According to them Kelly talked to Boykin about the trade, etc. Boykin then seemed to piggy back on what McCoy said because it is an easy attack on the coach. Players currently on the team have come back defending the coach, so who knows.
I don't think it has to do with race or culture. It is Kelly doing things his way and entitled athletes who are not used to being pushed aside not knowing how to deal with it.
He has been dealing with black players since his college days, he has other black players on the team who come from worse situations than the ones jettisoned. Until a player gives a specific example this is all about them being upset over Riley.
Riley being drunk and agitated called a black person a word that he will never live down in many people's eyes. It doesn't matter what he does, how many black players consider him friends, etc he will always be a racist to many. The fact he is still on the team perplexes some and they think race is the factor. The Eagles gave him a Co tract based on a half season worth of production, he hasn't duplicated that production and not cut. I don't know the salary cap ramifications of cutting him but that may be the reason as well.
The statements made boy Boykin contradict what Kelly and the defensive coach said. According to them Kelly talked to Boykin about the trade, etc. Boykin then seemed to piggy back on what McCoy said because it is an easy attack on the coach. Players currently on the team have come back defending the coach, so who knows.
I don't think it has to do with race or culture. It is Kelly doing things his way and entitled athletes who are not used to being pushed aside not knowing how to deal with it.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:19 am to tduecen
Harrisburg, PA is pretty ghetto.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:26 am to Tingle
Interview McCoy did a few years ago about growing up he didn't mention growing up in high drug/crime area, he talks about his mom working and providing for him, etc. Doesn't seem like he comes from a bad area.
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:32 am to tduecen
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You keep pushing "culture" yet continue to ignore the obvious. He has signed African American players, he has always had black players, he recruited black players, he has dealt with players like Blount in college.
The Riley thing happened, people moved on but for some players they didn't and now they are using that one incident to cast stones on Kelly. He isn't a racist any more than any other NFL coach. McCoy and Boykin were not "urban" players from the "hood" either.
Players keep count of who got "paid" and their comparative skill level. It's called competitive jealousy. Riley cooper was rated as the worst starting WR in all of football last year by multiple advanced stats groups, and the eye test meets the stats. The players know he is a marginal player, but saw a franchise stand behind him and pay him for being a below average to inadequate starting receiver.
He stays, despite his ability to tear apart a locker room, but desean gets shipped (they suffered without him), Maclin is let go (we'll see) and shady is traded? We know it probably amounts to more than just cap numbers for why they traded, but in a results orientated league, were premium talent is hard to find...he ships all of them out to keep the worst receiver in football?
Could anyone see how some players may potentially see this In a different light or how he may be condoning the nothingness that Riley cooper brings to the team? Especially as he is a coach that picks and chooses his players? Would u chose to hold on to a potentially decisive player (because of his previous act and not his current disposition) who happens to be a fringe contributer as well? Most NFL teams would have cut the bait instead of giving him an inflated contract extension
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 7:36 am
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:35 am to shel311
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That's why.
It's something he'll need to figure out pretty quickly.
He won't admit it publicly, but he better do something behind the scenes. In a talent driven league, schemes alone won't win. There aren't enough of "his" guys for him to be as rigid and inflexible as he seems. He's at risk of alienating free agents
Posted on 8/5/15 at 7:38 am to MontyFranklyn
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Lets compare him to a coach like Tomlin, that players seem to love. I'm sure Tomlin isn't sporting a bottom grill and c-walking through the locker room, but he probably connect to them in a certain way. Is it because he is black? I doubt, I think its because of his geniune personality.
Wut?
Tomlin has the personality of a sack of rotting fruit.
This post was edited on 8/5/15 at 7:40 am
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