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re: Canelo vs Khan

Posted on 5/8/16 at 8:02 am to
Posted by ULSU
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Posted on 5/8/16 at 8:02 am to
quote:

Marciano1


You sure are salty about Canelo. He piss in your cheerios?
Posted by pjab
Member since Mar 2016
5646 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:28 am to
How do you edit a post without the "edited" message show up?

That was an impressive guess.
Posted by pjab
Member since Mar 2016
5646 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:44 am to
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The only reason Khan took this fight is because he's delusional and thinks he's an elite fighter


He's an elite Olympic boxer, just not a pro. He needs to stick to headlining NBC fights. The fight was a joke the second it was announced. Probably the first decent fight I haven't ordered in years. I think it needed to happen though from a promoting stnadpoint to setup Canelo/GGG. GGG wasn't there because he didn't have anything else to do on a Saturday night.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:45 am to
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You sure are salty about Canelo. He piss in your cheerios?

No, he's pissing on a great sport. He refuses to fight in an actual weight class and since he's a big draw, he just decides to fight at 155, a whole ONE pound above the 154 Jr. Middleweight/Super Welterweight limit. What's even more disgusting is he's doing exactly what Cotto did: defend the middleweight title (160 lbs) at a damn catch weight of 155. The reason this is important is because he refuses to fight the natural middleweights at 160, specificially Golovkin. Canelo belongs at 154 but he's too lazy to drop one extra pound and it allows him to rehydrate to 175-180 on fight night while he's fighting natural 154ers who only rehydrate up to about 160.

He's too scared to fight natural 160 fighters who will match him weight-wise on fight night and will have a big height and reach advantage on him. Canelo is very short for a guy who should be fighting at 160...he's about 5'9. Most guys in that weight class are 6'0 - 6'2.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 11:57 am to
I agree. Title fights should not be at catch weights.

Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 5/8/16 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

You sure are salty about Canelo. He piss in your cheerios?

No, he's pissing on a great sport. He refuses to fight in an actual weight class and since he's a big draw, he just decides to fight at 155, a whole ONE pound above the 154 Jr. Middleweight/Super Welterweight limit. What's even more disgusting is he's doing exactly what Cotto did: defend the middleweight title (160 lbs) at a damn catch weight of 155. The reason this is important is because he refuses to fight the natural middleweights at 160, specificially Golovkin.


That and he's a soulless ginger.
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
54896 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 12:59 pm to
Damn, fricking dream street.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

GGG post fight

"It good box. I good fighter. I want belt. Kahn good box. People know I good box champion, People know Canalo good box, good box fight match belt"



that was the clearst, most lucid post I think you've ever posted.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 1:22 pm to
I get the outrage, but this is just the way the system is in boxing. The big money guys are not necessarily incentivized to fight the guys that would give them their biggest challenges, unless the money is also there. All of the top guys are going to look to make the most money with the least risk. Mayweather may be the most notable culprit of this but all of the guys that have that strong earning power are picking and choosing who's the guy they can beat that will give them the biggest paycheck.

Worst part is there's not really a fix for it now. All you can hope for is that guys like Canelo (and Mayweather before him) run out of opponents to make money with and have to take that dangerous fight because that's the most lucrative fight left for them.

It's actually a reasonable approach to managing their careers. What we as fans ask of the top guys, for them to take on all comers regardless of circumstances, is actually less reasonable. If we were in their place most of us would not be eager to risk our earning power the way we ask them to.
This post was edited on 5/8/16 at 1:28 pm
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19749 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 3:56 pm to
I think people forget how young Canelo is too. Even though he has a ton of amateur fights he's only 25.
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 4:00 pm to
shite he's got a ton of professional fights he's like what 47 and 1 or something and he's 25. mayweather is 40 and has only 50 professional fights
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 4:50 pm to
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Canela is making Khan come up two weight classes to fight him


also Canelo will hydrate and weigh 10 lbs more than Khan in the ring.

I hate that they have the weigh in the day before now.

Used to be just before the fight and morons who didn't make weight would have to run around outside until they dropped a lb.

Now they are worried about the TV fight starting on time or if the guy can even make the weight. so they have a fake weigh in so long before the fight, you can put on 10 lbs with the 6 meals you will have before the night fight on day 2 after weigh in in the AM day 1. Plus water.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18429 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 7:44 pm to
quote:

It's actually a reasonable approach to managing their careers. What we as fans ask of the top guys, for them to take on all comers regardless of circumstances, is actually less reasonable. If we were in their place most of us would not be eager to risk our earning power the way we ask them to.

Canelo would make his largest earning against Golovkin as the A-side on a PPV event. Not only does it make business sense but it's also doing what elite fighters are supposed to do: fight other elite fighters.

But these days, most fighters don't want to even risk losing a fight. They just want big money for no risk. You can thank Floyd Mayweather for that. shite, Danny Garcia was a 140lb fighter fighting Rod Salka, who wasn't even ranked at 135. It's terrible.
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79139 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 7:46 pm to
marc, what are your fights to make currently?

canelo/ggg
ggg/ward
ward/kovalev
wilder/klitschko or fury
spence/anyone at 147?
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18429 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 7:58 pm to
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marc, what are your fights to make currently?

canelo/ggg
ggg/ward
ward/kovalev
wilder/klitschko or fury
spence/anyone at 147?

I like all of those fights but GGG-Ward won't happen now that Ward has moved up to 175. Plus GGG already dodged Ward.

My list:
Chocolatito-Inoue
Chocolatito-Estrada 2
Kovalev-Ward (supposed to take place in November)
Canelo-Golovkin
Lomachenko-Walters
Spence-Garcia, Thurman, Porter
This post was edited on 5/8/16 at 7:59 pm
Posted by vengeanceofrain
depends
Member since Jun 2013
12465 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 8:35 pm to
quote:

Chocolatito-Inoue
fight of the year
Posted by Louisianimal83
Lithia Springs, GA
Member since Jan 2009
1606 posts
Posted on 5/8/16 at 10:23 pm to
Rod Salka was a bum. But Danny deserved a light touch after the gauntlet he ran prior to that.
Posted by smash williams
San Diego
Member since Apr 2009
19749 posts
Posted on 5/9/16 at 12:03 am to
My fight of the year would be Canelo vs Golovkin, really like how their styles match up.

Also want to see Luis Ortiz fight one of the HW title holders.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 12:10 am
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18429 posts
Posted on 5/9/16 at 8:16 am to
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Rod Salka was a bum. But Danny deserved a light touch after the gauntlet he ran prior to that.

I can understand making a voluntary defense against a fading former champ or journeyman, but not a guy from the weight class below you who wasn't even ranked. That mismatch was so bad that it wasn't even sanctioned. When the sanctioning bodies don't even want you to pay their fee, you know it's a fight that shouldn't be happening.

That's like the New England Patriots playing Tulane.
Posted by Marciano1
Marksville, LA
Member since Jun 2009
18429 posts
Posted on 5/9/16 at 8:20 am to
quote:

Also want to see Luis Ortiz fight one of the HW title holders.

I agree with but Wilder under contract with the PBC and Anthony Joshua with Showtime, Ortiz only has two options at HBO: Fury-Klitschko winner or keep fighting mediocre fighters in the WBA rankings.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 8:23 am
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