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Brady, Brees, and P. Manning
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:28 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:28 am
There was a thread last week about Eli Manning and his chances for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Some people have the opinion that because he has played in so few Pro Bowl and that he was never "one of the best" in the era he played, that this somehow hurts his candidacy.
Is Eli playing in the greatest era of quarterbacks ever? He has to be. Or is it?
It could be argued that Brady, Brees, and P. Manning are the 3 greatest quarterbacks of all-time, and their careers have almost completely overlapped.
Add to that the second half of Brett Favre's career, and the first half (or more) of Aaron Rodgers' career, and you could say Eli has played quarterback during an era completely filled with the all-time greats at the position, aside from Unitas, Marino, and Montana.
Are we currently in an era of all-time great QB's, or has the game changed so much that quarterback stats are approaching irrelevancy?
Some people have the opinion that because he has played in so few Pro Bowl and that he was never "one of the best" in the era he played, that this somehow hurts his candidacy.
Is Eli playing in the greatest era of quarterbacks ever? He has to be. Or is it?
It could be argued that Brady, Brees, and P. Manning are the 3 greatest quarterbacks of all-time, and their careers have almost completely overlapped.
Add to that the second half of Brett Favre's career, and the first half (or more) of Aaron Rodgers' career, and you could say Eli has played quarterback during an era completely filled with the all-time greats at the position, aside from Unitas, Marino, and Montana.
Are we currently in an era of all-time great QB's, or has the game changed so much that quarterback stats are approaching irrelevancy?
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Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:31 am to SportsGuyNOLA
If Eli were consistently in the top 5, I would have no issue with his HOF candidacy. But he's not consistently in the top 5; he's rarely in the top 5.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:33 am to StrongBackWeakMind
He's already 8 or 9th in the history of the NFL for touchdown passes.
When he retires, he's going to be Top 5 in every quarterback statistic.
Are the statistics irrelevant? Is it the era he's playing in?
When he retires, he's going to be Top 5 in every quarterback statistic.
Are the statistics irrelevant? Is it the era he's playing in?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:35 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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It could be argued that Brady, Brees, and P. Manning are the 3 greatest quarterbacks of all-time, and their careers have almost completely overlapped.
Brees? I love the guy, but top 3? Most saints fans wouldn't even agree with that.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:36 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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It could be argued that Brady, Brees, and P. Manning are the 3 greatest quarterbacks of all-time
Gee, I wonder why that is? Could it be that passing has gotten considerably easier to do in the NFL compared to the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s?
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:36 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Eli is a lock for the hall of fame.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:36 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Mediocre-to-good stats over a long career.
On a yearly basis, he was rarely in the top 5. He was normally in the 10-25 range.
On a yearly basis, he was rarely in the top 5. He was normally in the 10-25 range.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 11:37 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:36 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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Are we currently in an era of all-time great QB's, or has the game changed so much that quarterback stats are approaching irrelevancy?
Players are getting better. This isn't the 60's anymore.
The athletes have evolved just as much as the game.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:36 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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Are we currently in an era of all-time great QB's, or has the game changed so much that quarterback stats are approaching irrelevancy?
currently? I'd have to say no.
Peyton Manning is at the bitter end it appears.
Drew Brees is still good but not great.
Tom Brady continues to get it done though.
Aaron Rodgers is an elite QB but yet he's been off a bit this year.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:37 am to REG861
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Most saints fans wouldn't even agree with that.
I'm guessing you don't know any Saints fans.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:38 am to SportsGuyNOLA
He is in. Just enough stats and playing in New York will get him in.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:39 am to SportsGuyNOLA
He's accumulated stats and been good for a while, but rarely great.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:40 am to SportsGuyNOLA
*most sane ones
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:41 am to ptra
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He is in. Just enough stats and playing in New York will get him in.
throw in the name Manning and he's a lock
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:42 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Check out Drew's dome vs. outdoor's splits against other all-timers and get back to me.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:46 am to REG861
Brees isn't top 3 ever, but I do believe you can say he's fringe top 10 with a good argument for him being top 10.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:47 am to CocoLoco
Statistically he's up there, but I agree that he's closer to being top 10
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:48 am to Jcorye1
Can you just post it?
His playoff numbers are ridiculous. That should carry a lot of weight. Plus 4 5k yard seasons, highest career comp %
He's been fantastic for over a decade.
His playoff numbers are ridiculous. That should carry a lot of weight. Plus 4 5k yard seasons, highest career comp %
He's been fantastic for over a decade.
Posted on 12/21/15 at 11:56 am to CocoLoco
Somewhat of a monkey wrench in this, but what will Wilson's status be if he wins another SB and stays at the level he has attained for 7 more years.
at least 2 SB wins, 3 total SB, 3,500-4,000 yds per year. 3:1 TD/Int ratio. Career Pass Rating of over 100.
at least 2 SB wins, 3 total SB, 3,500-4,000 yds per year. 3:1 TD/Int ratio. Career Pass Rating of over 100.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 11:57 am
Posted on 12/21/15 at 12:00 pm to CocoLoco
I'm on a work computer with java disabled so I can only post so much.
Brady Dome (He's only played like 12 games in a dome, so obvious small sample size caveat).
67.63 Completion
26 TDs
9 Interceptions
2.89 TDs per Int
108.9 Rating
8.7 Y/A
Drew Brees Dome
68.79 Completion
227 TDs
97 Interceptions
2.34 TDs per Int
101.9 Rating
7.95 Y/A
Brady Outdoors
63.21 Completion
385 TDs
132 Int
2.92 Tds per Int
95.7 Rating
7.35 Y/A
Brees Outdoors
63.99 Completion
181 TDs
98 Ints
1.84 TDs per Int
90.3 Rating
7.14 T/A
Drew - LINK /
Brady - LINK //
I did not include any retracted roof numbers, as I have no idea if they mean the roof was actually retracted or not.
Brady Dome (He's only played like 12 games in a dome, so obvious small sample size caveat).
67.63 Completion
26 TDs
9 Interceptions
2.89 TDs per Int
108.9 Rating
8.7 Y/A
Drew Brees Dome
68.79 Completion
227 TDs
97 Interceptions
2.34 TDs per Int
101.9 Rating
7.95 Y/A
Brady Outdoors
63.21 Completion
385 TDs
132 Int
2.92 Tds per Int
95.7 Rating
7.35 Y/A
Brees Outdoors
63.99 Completion
181 TDs
98 Ints
1.84 TDs per Int
90.3 Rating
7.14 T/A
Drew - LINK /
Brady - LINK //
I did not include any retracted roof numbers, as I have no idea if they mean the roof was actually retracted or not.
This post was edited on 12/21/15 at 12:06 pm
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