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re: Black ex-coaches say NFL's Rooney Rule is broken
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:35 am to Baloo
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:35 am to Baloo
quote:
Because that is the hiring pool. The people "eligible" for the job is not the general population, it is restricted to that "skewed" group of former players.
Sure
But how many coaches were former QBs or offensive lineman?
I'd honestly like to see a distribution of current and past NFL head coaches by former position.
You're not likely to see a lot of wide receivers, defensive backs, defensive ends, and other positions that are traditionally dominated by black players.
You do have a few like Herm Edwards but that's the exception to the rule.
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Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
disliking a person b/c of the race they are and disliking a person b/c of a shitty culture they promote or actions they do are COMPLETELY different concepts
I identify with the latter but sometimes it makes me feel like I'm the former.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:39 am to FightinTigersDammit
quote:
What hs wouldn't love an ex-pro coaching their team? But, once a guy STARTS coaching hs ball, he gets pigeon-holed as a 'high-school coach', which leads you back to square one. Its hard for a hs coach to break into the college ranks.
i'm not talking about high school
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:41 am to shel311
quote:
And I'll keep saying after every single person says owners will always hire the best guy that will win the most games, multiple solid, reputable media members have it on good authority, that the Dolphins passed on a chance at Mike Tomlin because he is "too hip hop". He isn't remotely hip hop, so what does that tell you?
1) can you provide links to these multiple media members accounts of this?
2) how'd the Fins KNOW that Tomlin would be a Super Bowl winning coach and Cam would be a disaster?
3) the hell is too hip hop? is that explained in what I'm asking for in 1?
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:44 am to ATLTiger
1. There is an article about it, I'm on my phone though. Lebatard talks about it on his radio show sometimes, so I can't link that
2. Not sure the relevance of that
3. Exactly
2. Not sure the relevance of that
3. Exactly
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:50 am to shel311
quote:
that the Dolphins passed on a chance at Mike Tomlin because he is "too hip hop". He isn't remotely hip hop, so what does that tell you?
You keep clinging to this one example as if it's the gigantic linchpin of the entire justification for the Rooney Rule.
Even assuming such a ridiculous supposition is 100% true (something for which I have not seen any evidence), you could probably come up with 100 different equally ridiculous reasons 100 different coaching candidates were not hired for 100 different other jobs.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 11:57 am to kywildcatfanone
quote:
"Obviously, it's not working the way it should."
I'm honestly not sure what people expect. This isn't some random company where you just accept a bunch of resumes. Teams know damn well who they're going to target. I know interviews can make a difference, but demanding teams interview minority coaches seems like a waste of time for both parties. Even if he nails the interview, I find it unlikely that a black coach is going to get an NFL head coaching job that he wasn't being considered for.
This post was edited on 2/1/13 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:00 pm to shel311
quote:
2. Not sure the relevance of that
well you make it sound as though they knew they were passing up a surefire good coach for a failure. and they did it because he was black.
at the time, Tomlin had only been a coordinator 1 yr, while Cam had generally been thought of as a good OC for a few yrs. in hindsight the Cam hiring was bad, but at the time it was plausible.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:04 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Because it's rather obvious that if the example is true that a whole lot of the theories thrown around this thread are completely false. It's that simple.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:07 pm to ATLTiger
quote:
at the time, Tomlin had only been a coordinator 1 yr, while Cam had generally been thought of as a good OC for a few yrs. in hindsight the Cam hiring was bad, but at the time it was plausible
All true, and all irrelevant if the reason they reportedly passed is because he is too hip hop is true.
quote:I Honestly have no clue how you arrived at that thought.I mmy entire argument never remotely had anything to do with how good any coach is.
well you make it sound as though they knew they were passing up a surefire good coach for a failure. and they did it because he was black.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:07 pm to ohiovol
So I started doing some research on what current NFL coaches did as former players
10/32 - Former QBs
4/32 - Former OL
4/32 - Former LB
6/32 - Former DB (includes safeties)
2/32 - Former TE (1 out of the 2 being TE/WR)
1/32 - Former RB
Couldn't find any playing info on these guys. Some played, some may not have played:
Chuck Pagano
Joe Philbin
Rex Ryan
Dennis Allen
At any rate, it's pretty obvious that the QB position is over represented compared to other positions
Another note - a lot of NFL coaches are guys that just weren't good enough to play in the NFL (possibly athletically inferior whites)
When you start your career as a grad assistant while your black friend and college teammate goes on to play 6-7 years in the NFL, you get a little bit of a head start on the coaching track.
10/32 - Former QBs
4/32 - Former OL
4/32 - Former LB
6/32 - Former DB (includes safeties)
2/32 - Former TE (1 out of the 2 being TE/WR)
1/32 - Former RB
Couldn't find any playing info on these guys. Some played, some may not have played:
Chuck Pagano
Joe Philbin
Rex Ryan
Dennis Allen
At any rate, it's pretty obvious that the QB position is over represented compared to other positions
Another note - a lot of NFL coaches are guys that just weren't good enough to play in the NFL (possibly athletically inferior whites)
When you start your career as a grad assistant while your black friend and college teammate goes on to play 6-7 years in the NFL, you get a little bit of a head start on the coaching track.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:07 pm to shel311
quote:
Because it's rather obvious that if the example is true that a whole lot of the theories thrown around this thread are completely false. It's that simple.
Nah, ONE ridiculously aberrant example doesn't prove shite.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:12 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:so all of the guys saying owners and GMs will always pick the best guy for the job regardless of race, that wouldn't prove them wrong?
Nah, ONE ridiculously aberrant example doesn't prove shite.
It would 100% prove them wrong.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:14 pm to Powerman
quote:like I said, and Baloo said more eloquently, I'm guessing there are more inferior black athletes that don't make the NFL then there are inferior white athletes
Another note - a lot of NFL coaches are guys that just weren't good enough to play in the NFL (possibly athletically inferior whites) When you start your career as a grad assistant while your black friend and college teammate goes on to play 6-7 years in the NFL, you get a little bit of a head start on the coaching track.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 12:14 pm to Powerman
Pagano was a DB
Rex DE
Philbin TE
Allen Safety
Rex DE
Philbin TE
Allen Safety
Posted on 2/1/13 at 1:16 pm to LSUIEGRAD13
quote:If you live in Louisiana, then it won't seem like it. Louisiana has a ton of black people. The entire South has a lot of black people.
I know this is true but it sure as hell don't seem like it. Your post was very good.
But there are huge swaths of the country that hardly has any black people. Entire states and regions where black people are a rare occurrence.
Posted on 2/1/13 at 1:22 pm to Powerman
quote:But is it the position of QB that produces good coaches, or is it that white people are hired more, and that just so happens to be a position that plenty of white people play?
At any rate, it's pretty obvious that the QB position is over represented compared to other positions
Posted on 2/1/13 at 3:15 pm to VOR
quote:
I didn't know that I was black either.
well all 'yats are black on the inside, am i right or am i right?
Posted on 2/2/13 at 4:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
But you WERE talking about how many ex-pros wanted to work 80 hours a week, work their way up the ladder, etc.....
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