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re: Black College Football (HBCU) is Dying
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:05 pm to saintsfan22
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:05 pm to saintsfan22
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WKU doesn't compare to any SWAC program.
Maybe not now. But they weren't even the best in the OVC for years.
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Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:11 pm to BluegrassBelle
No the program might have been terrible but their resources dwarf any SWAC school. Just based off a quick Wiki search WKU's endowment is 10x that of Southern's and their enrollment is 3x Southern's. Southern is top notch, or at least should be, in the HBCU athletics.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:16 pm to Shaft Williams
I attended three school during my college career. I graduated from Alabama, but I took some summer classes at both Troy Montgomery and Alabama State. ASU was by far the most poorly ran university. My high school had better administration than ASU.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:18 pm to pvilleguru
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ASU was by far the most poorly ran university.
Low hanging fruit
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:20 pm to OleWar
I'm surprised HBCU football has lasted this long after integration, frankly. They served a purpose. That purpose is over.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:24 pm to TxTiger82
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purpose is over.
I'm sure there are folk in the black community who will probably disagree with you on that.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 5:36 pm to CtotheVrzrbck
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I really got a kick out of looking at freshman entry statistics of HBCU and you'll see the main issue at hand quickly. At Langston, the HBCU school here in Oklahoma. Care to guess what % of the freshman class came in with a 4.0 gpa in HS?
Now compare that to some better HBCU's like Howard, Tuskegee, Stillman, etc.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 5:38 pm to OleWar
It's really interesting that, while many of these places claim to have the advancement of young black students at heart, they'd rather place emphasis on the continuity of segregation in athletics in their schools. It does the black race, nor any of their sports for that matter, any justice to have higher pride in your race than your school/team. True equality comes through embracing similarities not differences. Thus, these institutions are archaic and should be relegated to the history from whence they arose.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 5:53 pm to Guava Jelly
There was a similar story a few years ago in the New York Times, about how SWAC basketball was just the pits. I think every year the NCAA has had the play-in game in the men's tournament, a SWAC school has been in it.
I think one of the things that has hurt HBCUs is how sophisticated college recruiting is nowadays. If a kid is good, the D-1 programs will find him, even if he's from a little rural high school. Who was the last guy to come out of an HBCU and make a splash in the NFL? McNair or Aneas Williams? (Course, Williams went to St. Aug, so he was on the radar of the big schools.)
Heck, I think it has been longer since a guy from an HBCU made it the NBA.
I think one of the things that has hurt HBCUs is how sophisticated college recruiting is nowadays. If a kid is good, the D-1 programs will find him, even if he's from a little rural high school. Who was the last guy to come out of an HBCU and make a splash in the NFL? McNair or Aneas Williams? (Course, Williams went to St. Aug, so he was on the radar of the big schools.)
Heck, I think it has been longer since a guy from an HBCU made it the NBA.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 6:06 pm to timbo
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Heck, I think it has been longer since a guy from an HBCU made it the NBA.
Kyle O'Quinn is in the league from an HBCU last season. Trey Johnson from Jackson St. had a cup of coffee with the Hornets a couple years ago.
But again this is a lowel level of D-1. Not many players from the Southland Conf. make the NBA either.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 11:08 pm to timbo
quote:Let me see. Robert Mathis, Bethea, Justin Durant, Jason Hatcher, Donald Driver, etc, etc. It's so much ignorance in this thread.
Black College Football (HBCU) is Dying
There was a similar story a few years ago in the New York Times, about how SWAC basketball was just the pits. I think every year the NCAA has had the play-in game in the men's tournament, a SWAC school has been in it.
I think one of the things that has hurt HBCUs is how sophisticated college recruiting is nowadays. If a kid is good, the D-1 programs will find him, even if he's from a little rural high school. Who was the last guy to come out of an HBCU and make a splash in the NFL? McNair or Aneas Williams? (Course, Williams went to St. Aug, so he was on the radar of the big schools.)
Heck, I think it has been longer since a guy from an HBCU made it the NBA.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 11:40 pm to TigerStripes06
HBCU supporters are now the racists. Welcome to 2013.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 11:45 pm
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:19 am to Michael T. Tiger
Going by the usage of the word where something focusing solely on or pertaining solely to race is racist, then yes, the second letter in that acronym being the focus of the school would make it racist.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:10 am to vlw
Ok, I stand corrected. I just remember in the 80s and 90s when Jerry Rice and Steve McNair were getting national publicity and ended up as first round draft picks.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 7:28 am to TigerStripes06
I would disagree with your blanket statement regarding academics. There are still a few HBCUs that are at a high level (Spelman immediately comes to mind, but that is only for women. IMO, Morehouse is just mostly living off of reputation these days...). But I agree with the overall sentiment of your statement regarding the status of HBCUs both academically and in sports.
The question of whether they still have a place comes to mind. I think the private HBCUs certainly still have a place. The public ones, however, I'm not sure. I have several family members who are HBCU grads. There is something to be said about tradition, but there is more to be said about a quality of education.
But that's another thread for another board...
The question of whether they still have a place comes to mind. I think the private HBCUs certainly still have a place. The public ones, however, I'm not sure. I have several family members who are HBCU grads. There is something to be said about tradition, but there is more to be said about a quality of education.
But that's another thread for another board...
Posted on 12/28/12 at 7:34 am to Rocket
The people who think that the public HBCUs still serve a purpose are dying.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 7:38 am to timbo
Aeneas Williams went to Fortier, not Aug.
And HBCU coaches aren't turning away white kids, as another poster implied. Rather, white dudes aren't even applying to HBCUs.
And HBCU coaches aren't turning away white kids, as another poster implied. Rather, white dudes aren't even applying to HBCUs.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 8:23 am to OleWar
Unfortunately, Black college football is going the way of Negro League Baseball, another victim of racial progress. The ironic thing is that when it comes to college football, the folks who fought the hardest for civil rights, HBCU schools and their supporters, are the folks who were hurt the most by it, and the folks who were the most vehemently opposed to civil rights, SEC schools and their supporters, were the biggest beneficiaries of civil rights.
All diehard SEC football fans should get down on their hands and knees and thank MLK and LBJ for what they did in the 1960's, because without them, the SEC would not be the dominant football conference that it is today. If folks like George Wallace, Ross Barnett, Orville Faubus, Lester Maddox and Strom Thurmond had had their way and won the battle over civil rights, the SEC wouldn't even be an AQ football conference today and would likely be on par with the MAC and the Sun Belt Conference.
All diehard SEC football fans should get down on their hands and knees and thank MLK and LBJ for what they did in the 1960's, because without them, the SEC would not be the dominant football conference that it is today. If folks like George Wallace, Ross Barnett, Orville Faubus, Lester Maddox and Strom Thurmond had had their way and won the battle over civil rights, the SEC wouldn't even be an AQ football conference today and would likely be on par with the MAC and the Sun Belt Conference.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 8:32 am to timbo
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Ok, I stand corrected. I just remember in the 80s and 90s when Jerry Rice and Steve McNair were getting national publicity and ended up as first round draft picks.
In the 60's and 70's, it was common for the Grambling-Southern game to feature more future pro talent than the Alabama-LSU game.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 8:46 am to TigerStripes06
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Do you honestly thing anyone around here worries about Bama or lsu or Florida losing recruits to Alcorn, Alabama A&M or southern?
I 'm just saying whenever an article about black people are brought into discussion their is always a very good chance people take it too overboard. Just like your post I quoted right now.
This post was edited on 12/28/12 at 8:50 am
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