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re: Black College Football (HBCU) is Dying
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:46 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:46 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
HBCU alums likely make the same amount of money as Black folks that graduate from predominately White universities and colleges. Now, HBCU alums don't donate in droves because there's a lot of financial mismanagement at HBCUs.
There was a day when yours truly attended Southern University but I felt it was a step back from attending a magnet high school. I transferred to LSU and I enjoyed myself. Southern University wasn't necessarily easier than LSU but you just have more resources at LSU in the way of tutorial programs and easier access to faculty members. Also, it was just better overall customer service at LSU than SU.
There was a day when yours truly attended Southern University but I felt it was a step back from attending a magnet high school. I transferred to LSU and I enjoyed myself. Southern University wasn't necessarily easier than LSU but you just have more resources at LSU in the way of tutorial programs and easier access to faculty members. Also, it was just better overall customer service at LSU than SU.
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Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:49 pm to Cold Pizza
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Why?
its an issue b/c no one wants to play for a black national championship
sucks we never got to see some of the good Grambling and Southern teams of the past vs the best of 1-AA
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:56 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Another thing, HBCU football won't turn around until they start playing in the playoffs with the other FCS schools. HBCUs need to rearrange their schedules so they can play in these playoffs.
Many don't know but HBCU football coaches on the FCS level on average make more than the coaches at predominately White institutions that are FCS schools.
Many don't know but HBCU football coaches on the FCS level on average make more than the coaches at predominately White institutions that are FCS schools.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 2:58 pm to Shaft Williams
The band directors probably make more than any of them 
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:10 pm to Cold Pizza
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Wait. Desegregation a the problem now?
I love the both sides of the liberal mouth this stance on HBCU is. You want diversity? You got it. Oh so the racially non-diverse schools are now suffering because of the opportuninites in better schools now afforded to everyone....
Isn't that what they wanted in the first place?
I really got a kick out of looking at freshman entry statistics of HBCU and you'll see the main issue at hand quickly. At Langston, the HBCU school here in Oklahoma. Care to guess what % of the freshman class came in with a 4.0 gpa in HS?
0% literally zero. Not a single 4.0 HS student enrolled there, the average ACT score wouldn't meet minimum entry requirements at OU or OSU.
Oh and that campus has a huge problem with drugs, gangs, student violence, and there's always a shooting or two involving students every year. Colleges that enroll students that aren't of the ilk to succeed in college surely can't expect them to graduate and get good jobs or start successful businesses. Especially when the first lesson they learn is that they can get money for just enrolling and they don't have to do anything to keep getting it, put some student loan $ on top of the grant and NAACP scholly money and it's rims, 'dro, 40 pairs of Nike's, and Henn-dog every f'n day.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:15 pm to Shaft Williams
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Another thing, HBCU football won't turn around until they start playing in the playoffs with the other FCS schools. HBCUs need to rearrange their schedules so they can play in these playoffs.
define "turn around". and I thought the MEAC sent its champ to the playoffs but the SWAC didn't.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:23 pm to ATLTiger
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define "turn around". and I thought the MEAC sent its champ to the playoffs but the SWAC didn't.
You're right. The SWAC needs to send its champ to the playoffs.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:30 pm to OleWar
That's the problem. Marching Bands. Not bad academics.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:31 pm to Cajun Revolution
How are the marching bands the problem?
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:32 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
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How are the marching bands the problem?
I'd assume the issue is that right now HBCU DGAF about their football teams but instead are pouring their resources into their bands.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:38 pm to BluegrassBelle
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I'd assume the issue is that right now HBCU DGAF about their football teams but instead are pouring their resources into their bands.
That's silly. Money for the marching band is nothing compared to what football team needs. They aren't out there playing with instruments made of gold.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:40 pm to DownSouthCrawfish
The entire article is about the amount of attention and importance placed on the Marching Bands. HBCU's sports problems have nothing to do with the marching band.
Why go somewhere and get a 5th tier education when if you're a capable student, go elsewhere to get better opportunities (or attention if you're an athlete).
I think the last HBCU athlete that got any attention was Ricky Weeks and that's because he went #2 overall in the MLB Draft.
Why go somewhere and get a 5th tier education when if you're a capable student, go elsewhere to get better opportunities (or attention if you're an athlete).
I think the last HBCU athlete that got any attention was Ricky Weeks and that's because he went #2 overall in the MLB Draft.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:42 pm to saintsfan22
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That's silly.
Not entirely. They certainly don't promote their football programs. Anymore it's definitely about the going to games to see the bands and you might see a little football while waiting for them. It's not the only problem by any means but it seems to be a large enough problem in terms of perception, recruiting, etc.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
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They certainly don't promote their football programs.
What lower level FCS school does?
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:49 pm to BluegrassBelle
they promote going to the games for the bands because it's the only card they have left. Not because they're putting more money into the bands
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:52 pm to BilJ
I wasn't specifically talking about money when I said resources. Obviously it costs more to run a football program, but they're giving it a bare bones approach. I was talking more so about promotion. It really is all about their bands anymore.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:56 pm to Cold Pizza
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Wait. Desegregation a the problem now?
He's probably just one of those guys who wants everything his way: blacks having major access to mainstream institutions and thriving HBCU's at the same time.
But as long as blacks are not dominant and independent and beating whites at everything, he'll find something to complain about.
Desegregation has not gone the way some blacks hoped it would. One reason is that there is usually a white reaction/backlash to any change in policy/law that blacks favor.
There's a saying in the black community that the "white man's ice is colder". So as a result, there will always be blacks in favor of access to white America. And it's one of the reasons Farrakhan's seperatist movement is not bigger than it is because there are blacks who are not about to withdraw from the mainstream.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:57 pm to BluegrassBelle
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but they're giving it a bare bones approach
Because they can't afford not to. For example Southern pays top FCS money for head coaches and for nothing else.
This post was edited on 12/27/12 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 12/27/12 at 3:57 pm to saintsfan22
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What lower level FCS school does?
If they're lower level then I'm guessing there's probably not many who do, hence why they're lower level.
Western Kentucky is a good example of a program that wasn't a great football program in the FCS especially between the between the 80s and 00s who starting focusing more on their football program and is now a FBS school that's participating in bowl games. So programs can be turned around through a change in focus. But I agree that it's not HBCU's only hurdle by any means.
Posted on 12/27/12 at 4:00 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Western Kentucky is a good example of a program that wasn't a great football program in the FCS especially between the between the 80s and 00s who starting focusing more on their football program and is now a FBS school that's participating in bowl games. So programs can be turned around through a change in focus. But I agree that it's not HBCU's only hurdle by any means.
WKU doesn't compare to any SWAC program.
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