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re: Bill Simmons on Tracy McGrady
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:19 am to Tigerfan56
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:19 am to Tigerfan56
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But we're not talking about his lack of a championship.
team stat
look at the list of his teammates in playoff games. i posted it (from the article). could anybody win a title with that group? no
this is TMac's line during his prime...in the playoffs (also from the article)
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29.5 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 6.5 apg, 42.6 mpg, 43-30-75%, 24.5 FGA, 9.1 FTA, 25.4 PER, 35.3 usage
he played his arse off in the playoffs during his prime
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I don't recall this 3-4 year stretch where he was the best player in the league.
in the early-mid 00s, it was Shaq v. Kobe v. TMac
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If you're the best player you can carry your team to a playoff series win at least once
again, team stat. he did his job (look at his stats). the teams around him just sucked
was KG suddenly a HOF player when he was traded to Boston?
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Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:20 am to Flair Chops
Of course he is a HOFer
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:27 am to Tigerfan56
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I don't recall this 3-4 year stretch where he was the best player in the league...if that ever happened then the talent level must've been fricking awful.
The consensus top 5 players from the early-to mid-2000s were:
Shaq
Duncan
Kobe
T-Mac
KG
With guys like Dirk, Webber and Iverson getting consideration. T-Mac led the league in PER in 2002-03, when Shaq was still in his prime. And that was on an Orlando team that had nothing around him.
This post was edited on 8/31/13 at 11:28 am
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:27 am to CunningLinguist
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If freaking Joe Dumars is a HOFer so is McGrady
a perrenial All defense team player. A conssummate team player on championship Piston teams. And a clutch scorer when needed.This post was edited on 8/31/13 at 11:28 am
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:28 am to tubucoco
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a perrenial All defense team player. A conssummate team player on championship Piston teams. And a clutch scorer when needed.
sounds like shane battier, except heat for pistons
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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sounds like shane battier, except heat for pistons
That is an incredibly stupid comparison.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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in the early-mid 00s, it was Shaq v. Kobe v. TMac
I am going to assume you just forgot Duncan
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:32 am to SlowFlowPro
Dumars is a much more accomplished player than Battier. Look up the credentials. 6 time NBA Allstar. Dumars made 1st team All defensive teams. Battier despite his good D I don't think made any 1st team defensive teams. And Dumars was versatile relieving Isaiah Thomas at point guard a lot.
This post was edited on 8/31/13 at 11:33 am
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:33 am to tubucoco
NBA Finals MVP
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:34 am to VerlanderBEAST
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I am going to assume you just forgot Duncan
well i was speaking more in terms of the arguments. duncan is/was always forgotten in those
also, duncan was always really really good but rarely has transcendent seasons. tmac, kobe, and shaq all had those
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:35 am to tubucoco
it was just an example of how dumars was a notch above role player. his offense was average and he was a beta
TMac was much better as a basketball player than dumars
you get to pick either in his prime for your team. who do you pick?
TMac was much better as a basketball player than dumars
you get to pick either in his prime for your team. who do you pick?
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
I'm pickin Dumars. McGrady despite his offensive prowess played no defense. Dumars was just a better all around player.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:37 am to SlowFlowPro
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He always looked half-asleep.
around here, between Normandie and Western we call this a little twenty-twen-twen
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:38 am to tubucoco
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McGrady despite his offensive prowess played no defense.
that is 100% wrong
but it's often the arguments for people who take the stances i referenced earlier regarding super-talented naturals
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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that is 100% wrong
yeah, if you say so.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:41 am to tubucoco
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McGrady despite his offensive prowess played no defense
lol
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:44 am to RLDSC FAN
quote:some of you people are really laughable.
lol
You say no to something that's dead on. Blockin some shots here and there mostly for highlights doesn't qualify for a top defender. McGrady make any defense teams? hell no. despite being 6'9". Maybe if he had played better D Houston would have won some of those playoff series.Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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duncan was always really really good but rarely has transcendent seasons. tmac, kobe, and shaq all had those
Duncan wasn't transcendent in 03?
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:49 am to tubucoco
what statistical evidence are you using to make that conclusion?
TMac was a stopper in toronto who had to shift more energy to offense in orlando/houston, but still had tons of stocks every year
he was 5th in NBA defensive win shares in 04/05
TMac was a stopper in toronto who had to shift more energy to offense in orlando/houston, but still had tons of stocks every year
he was 5th in NBA defensive win shares in 04/05
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