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re: Bill Simmons on Tracy McGrady
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:51 am to Flair Chops
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:51 am to Flair Chops
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Tmac is a hall of famer?
Absolutely. God if he and Vince never broke up...
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Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:53 am to VerlanderBEAST
is a 26 PER really a "wow" season?
Posted on 8/31/13 at 11:55 am to SlowFlowPro
McGrady had the best shoes ever that aren't Jordan's
FACT
FACT
Posted on 8/31/13 at 12:30 pm to tgr4ever
I've argued this many times on the msb, T-Mac is definitely a HOFer. I don't see how it's even an argument.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 12:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a notch above role player
You just went full retard. When you are among the 5-6 best defensive players in the NBA and can provide 20ppg, you are more than "a notch above role player".
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beta
Not defensively...he guarded the opposition's best 1/2/3 every night.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 12:59 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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McGrady had the best shoes ever that aren't Jordan's
Penny Hardaway owns that title.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 1:06 pm to mattz1122
McGrady was arguably the best SG in the league for a few years but history has him completely overshadowed by Kobe.
Coupled with the fact that he fell off too much too quickly with
the injuries is why he probably won't make it. But he's closer than most think.
Coupled with the fact that he fell off too much too quickly with
the injuries is why he probably won't make it. But he's closer than most think.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 1:09 pm to brgfather129
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and can provide 20ppg,
his career PER was 15.3. that means he was league-average in offensive efficiency
his career best PER was 18.0 (and this was somewhat of an aberration, as he slid back to 15.4 the next year)
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When you are among the 5-6 best defensive players in the NBA
at least TMac had a season in the top-5 of defensive win shares
Posted on 8/31/13 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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29.5 ppg, 6.9 rpg, 6.5 apg, 42.6 mpg, 43-30-75%, 24.5 FGA, 9.1 FTA, 25.4 PER, 35.3 usage
That's a legit line. Not much more he could've done I guess.
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in the early-mid 00s, it was Shaq v. Kobe v. TMac
Still would not even put him in the same class as these guys during the time. Plus you're forgetting Duncan.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 1:24 pm to Tigerfan56
This is a pretty good discussion but I'm amazed that anyone would have issues with Joe Dumars. It makes me wonder how many here actually remember him in his prime.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 1:25 pm to noladan
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It makes me wonder how many here actually remember him in his prime.
we can always look up his advanced stats, which i did. his stats don't represent his legend
Posted on 8/31/13 at 1:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's interesting -- in Dumars' best defensive season he wasn't top 20 in Drtg or DWS. MJ and Drexer were 2s (best 2s of that generation) who consistently ranked in those cats, and then there was a guy like Alvin Robertson, a 2 who was a known defensive stopper, who put up similar numbers to Joe and had a higher career PER. Dumars beasted in the '89 NBA Finals against the undermanned Lakers and that cemented his HOF status.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 1:56 pm to mattz1122
but did you SEE him play? i watched with my own 2 eyes and i know he was amazing!
and i hope people don't have beef with joe d...he was a god during my childhood, being from the area and a mcneese cowboy and all
and i hope people don't have beef with joe d...he was a god during my childhood, being from the area and a mcneese cowboy and all
Posted on 8/31/13 at 1:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and i hope people don't have beef with joe d...he was a god during my childhood, being from the area and a mcneese cowboy and all
That's probably why there's a pro-Joe bias here.
Posted on 8/31/13 at 2:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but did you SEE him play? i watched with my own 2 eyes and i know he was amazing! and i hope people don't have beef with joe d...he was a god during my childhood, being from the area and a mcneese cowboy and all
cute
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