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Posted on 5/25/15 at 3:31 pm to lsu480
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It's clearly Rickey Henderson and it's a shame the majority of posters in here can't even spell his name correctly.
To be fair, I'm pretty sure Rickey couldn't spell their names either.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 3:49 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Slick Rick
but I did appreciate Lofton and Grissom back in the day.
but I did appreciate Lofton and Grissom back in the day.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 4:22 pm to lsu480
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And Rickey 82 season was much better than Vince's 85 season so IDK WTF that dude was talking about.
Read that whole thing and you might want to rethink complaining about other peoples' spelling, and please don't start a sentence with "And"..... There, I feel better as should you..... since we need to get it right
And if I have something wrong IDGAF
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 5/25/15 at 5:06 pm to fleaux
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Read that whole thing and you might want to rethink complaining about other peoples' spelling, and please don't start a sentence with "And"..... There, I feel better as should you..... since we need to get it right
You obviously don't even Rickey, bro!
Posted on 5/25/15 at 5:16 pm to lsu480
To those saying Ichiro, yeah, he had a great batting avg, and speed, but really didn't walk much.
It's Rickey all the way. Rickey knows this. Why don't you?
It's Rickey all the way. Rickey knows this. Why don't you?
Posted on 5/25/15 at 5:20 pm to FightinTigersDammit
3 pages and no mention of Quilvio Veras or Fernando Vina? 
Posted on 5/25/15 at 7:55 pm to Oxford
Rickey is obvious, but 3 pages and no Kenny Lofton? or Rock Raines
Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:04 pm to Lester Earl
No love for Omar Moreno?
Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:18 pm to lsu480
But he didn't so we won't know. When Coleman got rolled in the tarp it made the Cards become not as explosive.
Again Coleman for that one year was amazing and Rickey's power would've been negated at Busch.
Again Coleman for that one year was amazing and Rickey's power would've been negated at Busch.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:25 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Ricky.
QED.
QED.
Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:33 pm to beatbammer
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:35 am to lsu480
Actually, Hendrsons best season was 85, not 82, and its not really close. The crazy thing is, Mike Trout has already had 3 seasons that are considerably better than Henderson's 85 season, and the closest (Trouts worst) ironically, was his MVP season last year. 2012-2013 Trout demolish anything any leadoff hitter has ever done, and his "down" year, last year, he wins the MVP.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:03 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Best leadoff hitter n MLB history?
Easiest answer ever
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:11 am to tigerclaws15
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ricky
Nah, Rickey was much better
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:13 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Posted on 5/26/15 at 11:13 am to Lester Earl
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but 3 pages and no Kenny Lofton
I was just coming to post Kenny Lofton... In his prime he was an absolute stud. 6 straight all star games from 94-99. Over those years he had a .314 BA, a .387 OBP and stole 295 bases. Add the 57HRs and he had a good balance.
Over his 17 season career he was a .299 BA, .372 OBP and had 130 HRs and 622 stolen bases.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:01 pm to SouthOfSouth
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I was just coming to post Kenny Lofton... In his prime he was an absolute stud. 6 straight all star games from 94-99. Over those years he had a .314 BA, a .387 OBP and stole 295 bases. Add the 57HRs and he had a good balance. Over his 17 season career he was a .299 BA, .372 OBP and had 130 HRs and 622 stolen bases.
That's a great point. I looked at this closer and I always knew Lofton was a great player, but a case can be made that Henderson and Lofton are 1a and 1b honestly. The thing that made Henderson so great was that he was able to extend his elite play over a much longer period of time (13 yr prime).
Lofton- 6 year prime, 93-99 (162 gm/avg)
316/390/443/833 (that's freaking fantastic from a leadoff guy)
XBH- 56
H- 206
SB- 64
SB%- 79%
Henderson- 13 yr prime, 80-93 (162 gm/avg)
291/409/449/858
XBH- 53
H- 174
SB- 91
SB%- 81%
Lofton was actually the overall better hitter and with both having about the same amount of pop, but Henderson pulls away slightly with his better base stealing ability. However, when you factor in that Lofton was superior defensively (splitting hairs as they were both elite) at a premier position, it's ALOT closer than what is perceived about how good each player was. Overall, Henderson wins out because of longevity and sustainability.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:09 pm to dnm3305
It has to be Rickey Henderson with Ichiro second and Lou Brock third.
Rose was at his best batting 2nd or 3rd. Pete just wasn't fast enough to bat leadoff.
Rose was at his best batting 2nd or 3rd. Pete just wasn't fast enough to bat leadoff.
Posted on 5/26/15 at 12:21 pm to Ralph_Wiggum
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It has to be Rickey Henderson with Ichiro second and Lou Brock third
I has to be? Really? Lou Brock's best season in his prime (1967) doesnt even equal Kenny Lofton's AVERAGE season through his prime. As far as Ichiro...
Ichiro - 2001-2010 (9 year prime) (162 gm/avg)
331/376/430/806
XBH- 45
H- 229
SB- 40
SB%- 81%
Ichiro, got on base considerably less (376 to 390 of Lofton), had less pop (430 to 443 and 55 xbh to 45) and stole on avg 24 less bases per year. He was elite defensively, but so was Lofton and Lofton played a more important position.
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