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re: Best eligible player not in Baseball hall of fame
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:18 am to shel311
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:18 am to shel311
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In fairness, McGwire hit more per season, that has to count for at least a little something.
Bonds was able to stay healthier and play 6 extra years. That obviously also counts for something.
Ichiro has more hits per season than pete rose....but I don't think many would argue that ichiro is the greatest hitter.
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:23 am to 5thTiger
quote:You could argue that he was better at getting hits than Rose based on that, he just wasn't better for a longer, sustained period of time.
Ichiro has more hits per season than pete rose....but I don't think many would argue that ichiro is the greatest hitter
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:25 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
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Bonds
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:26 am to 5thTiger
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Ichiro has more hits per season than pete rose....but I don't think many would argue that ichiro is the greatest hitter.
I think Ichiro is 2nd to Gwynn as best hitter ever in baseball, just not MLB due to his late start in the league.
The world really missed out on having him play his entire career in MLB.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:30 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:Don't think we're using the best terminology to say "best hitter", but I get what you're saying...
I think Ichiro is 2nd to Gwynn as best hitter ever in baseball
I'd put Rose ahead of Ichiro. Higher OPS+, and a higher OBP. Ichiro also had the advantage of coming into the game during his prime, so no bad stats in those early years.
And of course, Gwynn ahead of both of them.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 9:32 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:47 am to TheCaterpillar
If we count Japan, Ichiro is far and away the best singles hitter in baseball history.It's just that the idea of the "best hitter" is some slap hitter without any power that is flawed. Barry Bonds is the best hitter ever. Full stop.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:53 am to Baloo
quote:This
It's just that the idea of the "best hitter" is some slap hitter without any power that is flawed. Barry Bonds is the best hitter ever. Full stop.
I'm really not trying to take anything away from a Gwynn or Ichiro, but some of the hit numbers are inflated by how little they walked. Granted, Gwynn still had a ridiculous career OBP, but generally speaking, people see and are enamored with the .340 batting average, but fail to realize a few other guys may have actually had a higher OBP, and that's even more important when we're considering primarily singles hitters.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:57 am to TheCaterpillar
Hold up. Ted Williams is the goat hitter of all time and it's no debate. Missed a couple seasons of his prime in the wars but won triple crowns before and after that.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 9:59 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
Bonds
Bagwell is the best who hasn't been definitively linked to steroids
Bagwell is the best who hasn't been definitively linked to steroids
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:32 am to shel311
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You could argue that he was better at getting hits than Rose based on that, he just wasn't better for a longer, sustained period of time.
Ichiro was better and just as long. He just didn't come into the MLB until around 28 iirc.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:37 am to TheCaterpillar
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I think Ichiro is 2nd to Gwynn as best hitter ever in baseball
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:43 am to EvrybodysAllAmerican
Top best all-around Hitters of all time in no order
Babe Ruth
Lou Gehrig (retired early due to illness)
Ted Williams (missed time due to war)
Barry Bonds
Stan Musial (missed time due to war)
Miguel Cabrera (still active)
Albert Pujols (still active)
Alex Rodriguez (still active)
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Jimmie Foxx
Babe Ruth
Lou Gehrig (retired early due to illness)
Ted Williams (missed time due to war)
Barry Bonds
Stan Musial (missed time due to war)
Miguel Cabrera (still active)
Albert Pujols (still active)
Alex Rodriguez (still active)
Hank Aaron
Willie Mays
Jimmie Foxx
Posted on 7/29/15 at 11:53 am to TexasTiger62
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Dick Allen
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The perfect example of writers screwing a guy they don't like.
Nice word choice.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:13 pm to Baloo
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If we count Japan, Ichiro is far and away the best singles hitter in baseball history.It's just that the idea of the "best hitter" is some slap hitter without any power that is flawed. Barry Bonds is the best hitter ever. Full stop.
Yeah I'll agree with that.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:16 pm to michael corleone
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Mark Grace
This guy was a fricking man. A man's man.
No glove beast too:
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:30 pm to theunknownknight
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Top best all-around Hitters of all time in no order
You left off a guy with a lifetime average of .359 who had over 1,000 extra base hits. Any list of greatest hitters need to include Hornsby.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:54 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Clemens
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:13 pm to TigerintheNO
Hornsby was actually one of the first I was going to add I just felt like his overall power numbers were slightly too low
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:34 pm to theunknownknight
When Bonds was on his home run barrage, he was walked almost a 100 times. The next closest was in the 40's. If he would of been pitched to at least half of those walks he would of ended up with nearly 90 home runs. Steroids, naw. frick Bonds, McGuire, and I hate to say, Bagwell, and Caminiti were thick as thieves too.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 5:36 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
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