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re: Are the Astros rebuilding the right way? I believe so, but this writer doesn't..
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:32 pm to tduecen
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:32 pm to tduecen
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Santana yes... along with watts and chambers even though they don't seem to be great prospects.... maybe Duffy and Sclafani as well... Shields would need to prove he can hit more.... Tropeano would be called up with Foltynewicz, and Owens
I understand this is a message forum for sharing opinions. But you seriously should just stop. If you are trolling, yay for you, cool guy.
If you are being serious and truly believe the crap you are posting... Then I understand why you are a Yankees fan.
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:32 pm to tduecen
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You mean the garbage they've thrown out the past 3 years?
I'm not sure how much more clear I can be on this. Yes, it was garbage, but for the most part it was garbage doing exactly what you are suggesting. Playing young players to see if they could be part of the long term plans, to see if they're just placeholders until the prospects begin to arrive, or to see if they would have trade value if they fell somewhere between the first two categories.
You're just incapable of seeing that because their names aren't "Springer".
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:40 pm to Floating Change Up
quote:explain why
. But you seriously should just stop. If you are trolling, yay for you, cool guy.
If you are being serious and truly believe the crap you are posting... Then I understand why you are a Yankees fan.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:45 pm to MOT
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to see if they're just placeholders until the prospects begin to arrive, or to see if they would have trade value if they fell somewhere between the first two categories.
you mean because in 2013 the Astros gave
25 year old Dallas Keuchel 22 starts?
22 year old Jordan Lyles 25 starts?
25 year old Brad Peacock 18 starts?
or because they gave
23 year old Brett Oberholtzer 10 starts
23 year old Jarred Cosart 10 starts....
those aren't really a sign of a progressive movement... those guys should have been given more and some have been given the opportunity this year which is what they need.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:57 pm to tduecen
Because your argument is illogical. On one hand, you're saying "bring up the young guys to see if they can make it in the big league."
Well who the hell do you bring up? Between AAA, AA, A and other levels, there are over 200 players that you have to figure out "do they belong"? You only have space for 25.
The ONLY reason you have a short list is because they have played meaningful innings in the minors that have given you some statistics to gauge which of those 200 players pique your interest.
Appel was a 1:1 pick last year. Hell, he had 4 years of college ball, he should immediately been put on the MLB team according to your logic.
Well who the hell do you bring up? Between AAA, AA, A and other levels, there are over 200 players that you have to figure out "do they belong"? You only have space for 25.
The ONLY reason you have a short list is because they have played meaningful innings in the minors that have given you some statistics to gauge which of those 200 players pique your interest.
Appel was a 1:1 pick last year. Hell, he had 4 years of college ball, he should immediately been put on the MLB team according to your logic.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 6:01 pm to Floating Change Up
quote:Not true at all, i've stated if they've shown they can hit AAA or AA pitching or vice versa... Apple hasn't proven anything at this point
The ONLY reason you have a short list is because they have played meaningful innings in the minors that have given you some statistics to gauge which of those 200 players pique your interest.
Appel was a 1:1 pick last year. Hell, he had 4 years of college ball, he should immediately been put on the MLB team according to your logic.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 6:28 pm to tduecen
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you mean because in 2013 the Astros gave
25 year old Dallas Keuchel 22 starts?
22 year old Jordan Lyles 25 starts?
25 year old Brad Peacock 18 starts?
or because they gave
23 year old Brett Oberholtzer 10 starts
23 year old Jarred Cosart 10 starts....
Keuchel was 24 when he made his debut in 2012.
Lyles was 20 when he made his debut in 2011.
Peacock was acquired in the Spring of 2013.
So yes, all five of those are examples of what I'm talking about.
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those aren't really a sign of a progressive movement
Of course not. You picked 5 players off an entire roster and didn't look past 2013.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:38 pm to MOT
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Still hanging on to that huh? Have they cracked the top 20 systems yet in your opinion?
I believe last we talked I had them around middle of the pack, 15-18. My beef at the time is that they took a huge jump by adding a guy like Appel, who had show nothing at that point. Along with a few other guys. I still maintain they have a huge boost on paper by having two #1 picks in their system.
With that being said, if you were to re-rank this list right now, would you have them #1?
I follow these guys pretty regularly, waiting for a break out season from some of these heralded kids...
Who are 3 arms you really like in this #1 MLB farm system?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:40 pm to Moustache
ASTROS SUCK
That's all I have to say until they give me .500
That's all I have to say until they give me .500
Posted on 5/29/14 at 7:44 pm to Floating Change Up
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Appel was a 1:1 pick last year. Hell, he had 4 years of college ball, he should immediately been put on the MLB team according to your logic.
well he certainly shouldnt be sent back to extended spring training
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:10 pm to Lester Earl
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I believe last we talked I had them around middle of the pack, 15-18. My beef at the time is that they took a huge jump by adding a guy like Appel, who had show nothing at that point. Along with a few other guys. I still maintain they have a huge boost on paper by having two #1 picks in their system.
No, last we talked you had them as one of the very worst as everyone else was moving them toward the top 10 (before the draft last year). You claimed they were only moving up because of adding Correa and Deshields having a good year.
You also claimed it wasn't good system because they didn't already have a Harper or Machado in the majors.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:11 pm to MOT
you gonna make me look it up?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:20 pm to Lester Earl
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i dont think they are bottom 5 anymore, not after adding Appel and then George Springer really breaking out.
17-20, somewhere up in there.
this was from last july
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:49 pm to Lester Earl
You obviously missed the list of pitchers I posted.
I'll assume you know nothing about the two frequently mentioned on this board between Folty and Appel
I'll assume you know nothing about the two frequently mentioned on this board between Folty and Appel
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:50 pm to Lester Earl
And this was from March of last year
And that one was even after I pointed out that 11 of their top 20 wasn't with the organization the previous year.
And the thread you reference from July is gold. You should read the rest of it.
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Sure they supposedly have these great prospects
no
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they have one of the 5-6 worst farm systems in baseball
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Lol that list is a joke
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yes or no: do the Astro's have a future all star in their farm system in the next 3-5 years?
emphatically: NO!
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you do realize that a year ago today the Astro's were in the bottom 5 in terms of talent(consensus)?
not much has changed. They drafted Correia and Deshields decided to hit. That is about it
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They jumped 20 spots with the same group of players. It's crazy to think they are so much better off
And that one was even after I pointed out that 11 of their top 20 wasn't with the organization the previous year.
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the cubs have 3-4 prospects better than anyone in the Astros system
And the thread you reference from July is gold. You should read the rest of it.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:53 pm to MOT
I read the whole thing, i didnt see anything of note.
MArch was before the draft and the 2013 season. I bumped them up a good 10 spots, later in the summer. I still think they are closer to there than they are #1.
MArch was before the draft and the 2013 season. I bumped them up a good 10 spots, later in the summer. I still think they are closer to there than they are #1.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:56 pm to Prominentwon
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I'll assume you know nothing about the two frequently mentioned on this board between Folty and Appel
i know Appel has been horrendous
and that Folty has a near 4 ERA in AAA & a career 3.75 ERA in 4.5 years in the minors
McCullers the #2 pitching prospect in the system has a 4.40 ERA, a big step back from last year depsite only being in Adv A
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:57 pm to Lester Earl
And the others?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:58 pm to Lester Earl
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I read the whole thing, i didnt see anything of note
Other than you being proven completely wrong on nearly every point you attempted to make. You really did your homework on the college/high school makeup of the Red Sox and Astros top 10 lists.
And flipping the conversation from minor league rankings to an organizational talent ranking including major league players was also a good move considering how ridiculous your original argument was.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 8:58 pm to Prominentwon
Funny, I didn't even mention McCullers.
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