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re: Are the Astros rebuilding the right way? I believe so, but this writer doesn't..
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:36 pm to MOT
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:36 pm to MOT
quote:a lot of those listed are above the "prospect" area especially those 24+
So your point is based on the first two months of this season?
quote:I didn't look up pitchers and those brought up prior are usually on MLB club or high AAA
Players that were up prior to this year do not count? Pitchers do not count?
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:39 pm to Prominentwon
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WILL SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE JAKE BUCHANAN A SHOT!!?
There are definitely others that you can make a case for, I didn't mean it that way. But to pretend they haven't brought up any young players over the last couple years just because Springer was kept down to start the year is foolish.
It isn't like they've been trotting a bunch of 30 year old journeymen out there every day the last few years....which ironically is what people usually say they should have been doing.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:41 pm to tduecen
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which is an issue, why not see if these guys can hit MLB pitching right off the bat? to save a few dollars?
By keeping him in AAA at the start of the season it gives them control over him through 2020, rather than 2019.
I would much rather have him for most of 2014 and all of 2020 than an extra month in 2014 and have become a FA after 2019.
The chances of competing in 2020 are much greater than 2014 and Springer will likely be a big part of that.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:43 pm to volfan30
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The chances of competing in 2020 are much greater than 2014 and Springer will likely be a big part of that.
Exactly
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:44 pm to volfan30
quote:Unless they prove they can hit MLB pitching or pitch to MLB hitting and can make the Astros competitive sooner rather than later
By keeping him in AAA at the start of the season it gives them control over him through 2020, rather than 2019.
I would much rather have him for most of 2014 and all of 2020 than an extra month in 2014 and have become a FA after 2019.
The chances of competing in 2020 are much greater than 2014 and Springer will likely be a big part of that.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:45 pm to Dire Wolf
He also had to learn how to play RF considering Houston signing Fowler over the off-season.
To LE's dismay, it's not like you're going to trot out there and be elite at another outfield position. This isn't slow pitch softball.
Springer leads the league in OF errors with 6 in a month. But since CF is basically the same thing as RF like LE has eluded to before, he would probably have those 6 errors in CF too.
To LE's dismay, it's not like you're going to trot out there and be elite at another outfield position. This isn't slow pitch softball.
Springer leads the league in OF errors with 6 in a month. But since CF is basically the same thing as RF like LE has eluded to before, he would probably have those 6 errors in CF too.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:48 pm to tduecen
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a lot of those listed are above the "prospect" area especially those 24+
And most of those listed saw time prior to this year which makes the whole thing pointless. Marwin was a rule 5 pick a few years ago, Hoes wasn't a full time major leaguer when he was acquired in a trade but he was immediately put into the lineup, same goes for Matt Dominguez who is young and not on your list.
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those brought up prior are usually on MLB club or high AAA
So I ask again, why are you basing your entire point on two months of this year? Why would a prospect that was brought up to play to see if they could add value at the major league level be excluded from the discussion just because it happened in 2013 and not April of 2014?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:49 pm to tduecen
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Posted by tduecen I don't think so.... They should be bringing the kids up and seeing ho can perform at an MLB level. Prospects by nature have a lot of hype and they could tear up AA and AAA pitching but never hit MLB. Sitting Springer delayed his contract years but I think he would have been better off starting the season in MLB rather than AAA. Certain players maybe not, but to contend they need these young guys MLB ready and to find out if they are MLB ready is to place them in MLB.
Serious question... How much time do you let pass before you determine if he is MLB ready while at the MLB level?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:53 pm to MOT
quote:Dominguez has been a starter for over a year now and not a very good one....
same goes for Matt Dominguez who is young and not on your list.
quote:because we are talking about bringing up prospects who are MLB ready... and how Astros aren't doing it the right way. which means they aren't bringing up those that are mlb ready to preserve service time
why are you basing your entire point on two months of this year?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:53 pm to Floating Change Up
fwiw, Conrad Gregor was called up to Lancaster from A-Quad Cities.
Matt Duffy was called up to AAA-OKC.
These are 1st basemen.
tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock
Matt Duffy was called up to AAA-OKC.
These are 1st basemen.
tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:57 pm to tduecen
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Unless they prove they can hit MLB pitching or pitch to MLB hitting and can make the Astros competitive sooner rather than later
In Springer's case he may have been ready. But he alone isn't going to make them competitive. How many prospects do you bring up?
I think yanking guys up and down is dumb. You bring them up when you think they're ready. One failed trip is maybe okay so they know what they need to improve, but where do you draw the line?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:57 pm to tduecen
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because we are talking about bringing up prospects who are MLB ready... and how Astros aren't doing it the right way. which means they aren't bringing up those that are mlb ready to preserve service time
So as I originally suspected, it has nothing to do with bringing up young players to see if they could contribute. It has everything to do with jumping to a conclusion based on how they handled one player.
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Dominguez has been a starter for over a year now and not a very good one....
He was 22 when he was acquired and was immediately put into the lineup. But since he wasn't 22 in April of this year it means the Astros aren't giving young players a shot to see if they can contribute, correct?
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:00 pm to tduecen
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which is an issue, why not see if these guys can hit MLB pitching right off the bat? to save a few dollars?
So, the astros are criticized for rebuilding the wrong way... But you suggest to follow a method that the pirates deployed for 20 years without success?
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:03 pm to volfan30
quote:As many as needed honestly... does a kid hitting in AA two years in a row really help the club if he is a top 10 prospect?
How many prospects do you bring up?
quote:possibly but so does leaving a guy down who has proven he can hit the pitching...
I think yanking guys up and down is dumb
quote:well MLB is full of case studies, you have guys that demolished AAA pitching and held down and never hit MLB, guys who jumped for AA to MLB and tore it up, etc... so you never know about a prospect until he is in MLB
One failed trip is maybe okay so they know what they need to improve, but where do you draw the line?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:05 pm to MOT
quote:Not at all, I've been a firm believer for years on bringing up kids earlier and seeing how they handle MLB pitching/hitting
It has everything to do with jumping to a conclusion based on how they handled one player.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:06 pm to tduecen
So would you bring up Correa, DeShields, Santana, etc. right now just to see what they could do against big league pitching?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:08 pm to tduecen
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Not at all, I've been a firm believer for years on bringing up kids earlier and seeing how they handle MLB pitching/hitting
I'm not questioning whether you believe that. I'm questioning your knowledge on what the Astros have actually been fielding the last three years, and you've proven that you really don't know.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:15 pm to volfan30
quote:Santana yes... along with watts and chambers even though they don't seem to be great prospects.... maybe Duffy and Sclafani as well... Shields would need to prove he can hit more.... Tropeano would be called up with Foltynewicz, and Owens
Correa, DeShields, Santana, etc. right now just to see what they could do against big league pitching?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:16 pm to MOT
quote:You mean the garbage they've thrown out the past 3 years?
Astros have actually been fielding the last three years, and you've proven that you really don't know.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:24 pm to Moustache
That article is terrible. IMO I think the Astros rebuiliding is going just fine, but it will still be a while before the results really show. This writer just seems arrogant and thinks he knows everything when he clearly doesn't.
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