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LSUGrad9295
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An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?

Hear me out. I think Pitino is about as slimy and sleazy as they come and I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. But think of it this way: He was already hanging on by a thread due to the hooker scandal. He had to know that even one minor misstep could cost him his job. All of what happened in this case started in June. Pitino claimed in June that the commitment from Bowen was a total, but pleasant surprise. Is it possible that he just thought his assistant was a hell of a recruiter and took him at his word? I think it is entirely possible the assistant cooked up this scheme all on his own and stood to profit from it and did not WANT anyone else to know about it, let alone Pitino.

Look at the Auburn situation. The Auburn president today said the FBI told him that as far as he could tell, Chuck Person was the only person at Auburn that would be implicated and that this was an isolated incident not indicative of a program-wide issue. Person was running low on cash and got involved in this scheme for the money...and like the Louisville assistant, I am sure he probably didn't want anyone else to know about it either. Nobody seems to be calling for Bruce Pearl's job, and in fact all signs point to his job being safe at the moment.

One could argue that Pitino is guilty of hiring a non-trustworthy assistant coach...but how well can we truly know anyone? Chuck Person is one of the top 5 beloved athletes in Auburn sports history, and if you can't trust him, then who can you truly trust?

Now I agree that one major thing could poke a hole in my notion that Pitino really was oblivious to the whole thing. After they got Bowen to commit, and if Pitino truly was surprised, shouldn't he have asked the assistant how it happened, and what went down? But even that is shaky ground from a legal standpoint. The assistant did his job and got a player. Is the head coach obligated to question the guy about what means he used to get the job done?

It seems like this is headed toward a situation where Pitino will be fired and he will likely sue the university for being fired "with cause" and he will try to prove that he had no knowledge of any of this. A poster in another thread suggested that if such a lawsuit happens, Louisville will do everything in their power to "leak" any little thing that Pitino did wrong that the University "overlooked" to prove their point. I would love to see this go to court and see both side's dirty laundry hung out to dry in front of the whole world, but of course that is getting way ahead of things.

Just trying to provide a different view of things....attack away!


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
Cried wolf scenario.

He lied way too much so there's no chance anyone will believe him this time, even if he's telling the truth.

Eta: Holy wall of text, Batman!
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LSUGrad9295
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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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Cried wolf scenario.

He lied way too much so there's no chance anyone will believe him this time, even if he's telling the truth.


This crossed my mind too...but in a court of law, there is no such thing as the "cried wolf scenario".


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
He'd still be at fault for lack of institutional control or something of the sort.

He would be free of jail time but he would no doubt still be fired.


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
He should have been fired a long time ago. But his bosses lack integrity. Every person above him should be fired right with Pitino.


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
Being purposefully blind doesn't really make him look any better


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?


Just thought about and yeah he 100% knew what was going on. I don't read the rest of that wall of text because that's a clown question bro


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LSUGrad9295
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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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He should have been fired a long time ago. But his bosses lack integrity. Every person above him should be fired right with Pitino.


I don't disagree with any of this...I am just saying that "maybe" he really didn't know what was going on with this situation....


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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I don't disagree with any of this...I am just saying that "maybe" he really didn't know what was going on with this situation....


As head coach, that's still a violation of NCAA Bylaws. Your guilty for the actions of your assistant coaches, whether you had knowledge or not


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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Being purposefully blind doesn't really make him look any better



I don't disagree...and I am somewhat playing devil's advocate, but when I read about the Chuck Person situation, I fully believe that Bruce Pearl had NO idea what was going on there, yet there doesn't seem to be the public hanging for Bruce like there is for Pitino....and Bruce ain't exactly squeaky clean himself. So I guess I am asking, what is the difference?


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LSUGrad9295
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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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As head coach, that's still a violation of NCAA Bylaws. Your guilty for the actions of your assistant coaches, whether you had knowledge or not


And that is where I think it could get interesting in court if they do fire Pitino and if he does sue for his buyout.


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?


No HC knows the extent of what their assistants and staff do, that's why they have plausible deniability. It's standard practice.

Doesn't hold up against institutional control though, and that is what UL will fire him for when his appeal is up.


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?




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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
Lack of institutional control.

The NCAA can, has, and will hammer you for not knowing things you should've known


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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Lack of institutional control.

The NCAA can, has, and will hammer you for not knowing things you should've known


And I get that....I am just saying that Pitino might have grounds to pursue legal action with Louisville if they fire him. I think the lawyers could find a way to separate the NCAA bull shite from all of this.

Now I agree with everyone else....they should have fired him after the hooker scandal. Or after he nailed that skank in the Italian restaurant. I feel zero pity for either side and I hope and pray that ALL of each sides dirty laundry airs out in court. It could get ugly, mean, and uncivil....


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supatigah
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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
Oh the HCs know what is going on



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Keys Open Doors
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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
I think it is 99% + likely that Pitino did nothing criminal. He will never face charges of any kind.

However, I am almost as confident that it was a situation where he just wanted plausible deniability. He likely looked the other way while hiring guys he knew would do shady things. He probably didn't anticipate hookers but he knew cash was exchanging hands.

There are certain coaches who carry a rep for being dirty. Some of the names that are most mentioned for that are Dalonte Hill and Tim Fuller. They are like the Tropper Taylors of college basketball. If I know that, coaches obviously know that.

Also, fwiw, Pearl is considered a very dirty coach. When everyone thought that Tobias Harris was looking at Syracuse and Louisville, I was told by someone who was about as close to the situation as you can get that Tobias Harris was paid for by Tennessee. Two weeks later he signed with them.


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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
Agreed
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LSUGrad9295
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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
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Also, fwiw, Pearl is considered a very dirty coach


That is general knowledge too...maybe he has changed after serving his sentence in NCAA hell?? But as I said earlier, why isn't there outrage and people calling for his head right now?


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supatigah
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re: An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
Sure the HC will have plausible deniability but they know what is going on and they are 100% responsible for their program

Burn it all down to the ground


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