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re: AL CY Young and MVP - Can Detroit finish 1/2 in both?
Posted on 8/25/13 at 4:28 pm to The Seaward
Posted on 8/25/13 at 4:28 pm to The Seaward
Somewhat true. anyone batting in RBI situations is bound to get RBIs. BA/RISP reveals a lot too. That tells whether you're making the most of your RBI opportunities.
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Posted on 8/25/13 at 4:35 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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BA/RISP reveals a lot too
I think that is pretty much luck. And over a large enough time, it will regress to around that player's normal BA.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 4:48 pm to The Seaward
What about AB per RBI?
Posted on 8/25/13 at 4:53 pm to FightinTigersDammit
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What about AB per RBI?
wouldn't pay any mind to it. depends way too much on the quality of your teammates and your spot in the lineup.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 4:56 pm to The Seaward
So we're kind of going in a circle here?
Posted on 8/25/13 at 5:31 pm to FightinTigersDammit
This is all a waste of time - even the people against Scherzer know he is going to win the Cy Young, barring a complete collapse. If you ignore record, he at least is on par with the others; he leads the league in WHIP and Strike outs and is close to the top on ERA (his teammate having the best ERA). As established in this thread, the advanced metrics are split with Scherzer owning at least his share. W/L may be not mean much, but he his in position to have the best record in the history of MLB - that makes the Cy Young a lock (barring a collapse).
I have never thought W/L was as important as other metrics for obvious reasons. But in every other sport (including baseball) we give credit to the player that has "it". Point guards and quarterbacks are praised or criticized for their ability to be clutch. We report batting average with RISP as if it is statistically different than batting average and criticize AROD in MVP seasons for choking in the playoffs. Then we want to 100% ignore a pitchers ability to pull out close wins? It probably isn't completely meaningless
I have never thought W/L was as important as other metrics for obvious reasons. But in every other sport (including baseball) we give credit to the player that has "it". Point guards and quarterbacks are praised or criticized for their ability to be clutch. We report batting average with RISP as if it is statistically different than batting average and criticize AROD in MVP seasons for choking in the playoffs. Then we want to 100% ignore a pitchers ability to pull out close wins? It probably isn't completely meaningless
Posted on 8/25/13 at 5:50 pm to lsumatt
That's what I've been saying.
Posted on 8/25/13 at 6:02 pm to lsumatt
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We report batting average with RISP as if it is statistically different than batting average and criticize AROD in MVP seasons for choking in the playoffs.
I don't do any of this.
Scherzer has always been an example of a great SABR pitcher. This year is no exception, regardless of his win/loss record
Posted on 8/26/13 at 9:58 pm to The White Lobster
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This post was edited on 10/16/13 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 8/26/13 at 10:14 pm to The White Lobster
You can sell me on quality starts, but wins/losses is dumb for a pitcher.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:09 am to lsumatt
Honest question, why do these baseball guys insist on giving these awards to players on shitty teams. Seriously, Trout? The Angels are 15 games under 15. They suck with Trout and they would suck without him. Ditto for Felix and the Mariners.
MLB is the only league where this happens. CFB doesn't give the Heisman to someone on New Mexico. When was the last time someone on the Jaguars won MVP?
MLB is the only league where this happens. CFB doesn't give the Heisman to someone on New Mexico. When was the last time someone on the Jaguars won MVP?
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:30 am to Sevendust912
Baseball writers always try to be the smartest in the room. This is why Mike Trout was in such contention last year. In their defense, they seem to research extensively.
In the NBA, popularity overrides a lot.
In the NFL, a punter could make the opponent start every drive within their own 5, but they aren't even considered football players.
And in CFB, the Heisman award is selected by previous recipients. Not necessarily the best informed or brightest.
In the NBA, popularity overrides a lot.
In the NFL, a punter could make the opponent start every drive within their own 5, but they aren't even considered football players.
And in CFB, the Heisman award is selected by previous recipients. Not necessarily the best informed or brightest.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 2:41 am to pkloa
I just don't understand why these baseball guys have to make everything so complicated. I watch the games and can see the Cabrera is probably the best hitter of this generation. He is leading his team to the division title and putting up unprecedented numbers. Detroit's lineup would be in a world of hurt without him.
The Tigers have won 16 more games than they have lost with Scherzer starting. That has to count for something. Take that away, and they aren't even making a wild card.
The Tigers have won 16 more games than they have lost with Scherzer starting. That has to count for something. Take that away, and they aren't even making a wild card.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 3:24 am to Sevendust912
Detroit has a solid line up regardless of Miggy. He is a great player but Detroit isn't a team that would magically turn into the Astros without him.
Trout is having a great season offensively and is deserving,however, I think Miggy should/will win it again. Trout being on a bad team should have no bearing on his chances for an individual award because it doesn't take away from the season he had. He can't control what the other 8 hitters in line up does or what his pitchers give up.
Trout is having a great season offensively and is deserving,however, I think Miggy should/will win it again. Trout being on a bad team should have no bearing on his chances for an individual award because it doesn't take away from the season he had. He can't control what the other 8 hitters in line up does or what his pitchers give up.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 5:32 am to tduecen
So is the clutch factor completely being thrown out? You know the ability to get a guy out with RISP and you're team up 1...
Or just the opposite for the poster saying BA/RISP is just luck
Or just the opposite for the poster saying BA/RISP is just luck
Posted on 8/27/13 at 6:50 am to Ford Frenzy
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So is the clutch factor completely being thrown out? You know the ability to get a guy out with RISP and you're team up 1...
Over time, there is no such thing as "Clutch".
Posted on 8/27/13 at 7:10 am to Jcorye1
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Over time, there is no such thing as "Clutch".
Can you elaborate on that?
Posted on 8/27/13 at 8:30 am to Jcorye1
quote:I swear Robert Horry never made a meaningless open 3
Over time, there is no such thing as "Clutch".
Posted on 8/27/13 at 8:48 am to lsumatt
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hen we want to 100% ignore a pitchers ability to pull out close wins? It probably isn't completely meaningless
You can't penalize a pitcher if his offense sucks. That's something he literally has no control over. If he pitches 9 innings and gives up 1 run and still loses, I'd still say he did a damn good job. It's kinda like penalizing a qb who has a terrible defense. He might throw for 5 touchdowns and no int's, but his defense gave up 50 points. Not really his fault.
Posted on 8/27/13 at 9:16 am to F machine
quote:sounds like his counterpart should win the Cy Young
You can't penalize a pitcher if his offense sucks. That's something he literally has no control over. If he pitches 9 innings and gives up 1 run and still loses, I'd still say he did a damn good job
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