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Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:25 pm to shel311
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What year was that?
Pretty sure I'm thinking of the 2003-2004 season, but they barely got over .500 the last game of the season....search other years & you will likely find teams 38-44 & 37-56 occupying the #5-#8 seeds in the East. There's a reason commishes discussed abolishing conferences for playoff seeding & changing to top 16 records overall:
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2003-2004
1 Indiana Pacers 61 21 .744 - x
2 New Jersey Nets 47 35 .573 14.0 x
3 Detroit Pistons 54 28 .659 7.0 x
4 Miami Heat 42 40 .512 19.0 x
5 New Orleans Hornets 41 41 .500 20.0 x
6 Milwaukee Bucks 41 41 .500 20.0 x
7 New York Knicks 39 43 .476 22.0 x
8 Boston Celtics 36 46 .439 25.0 x
9 Cleveland Cavaliers 35 47 .427 26.0
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:27 pm to AjaxFury
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meantime.....for perspective...most of the 5-8 seeds for almost a decade did have sub .500 records.
2017: 0
2016: 0
2015: 2
2015: 1
2014: 1
2013: 1
2012: 0
2011: 1
2010: 0
2009: 1
So, the last 10 years where you said "most teams" have had a sub .500 records. "Most" 5-8 seeds have not had a sub .500 record even once in the last 10 years, much less most over the entire 10 year span.
7 out of 40 had a sub .500 record, which is good for 17.5%, but you'll probably say that's close enough to most, if I had to guess.
Why make things up like that?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 4:29 pm to shel311
He's been getting owned so much in these various threads, he figured it's time to lie to embellish his points. This is some truly pathetic posting.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:02 pm to imraged
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Joe Smith sucked and wasn't even on that '07 team
Try again. He avg 10 pts & 5 RPG in only 22 MPG. That's damn good efficiency for a bench guy.
2007-2008 Cavs roster/stats
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Ben Wallace who was also done by then
He avg 10.8 RPG & 2.0 BLK the season b4 CLE signed him
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Didn't notice Drew Gooden there until just now. Dude was an absolute joke of a playe
He avg 12.6 PPG & 8.6 RPG splitting time with Joe Smith, that's a solid combined avg at the PF spot with Smith.
Gibson shot 44% from 3, which was great in the days the 3pt shot wasnt the emphasis
Hughes avg 15 PPG the year prior & avg 13 PPG in '07 splitting time with Delonte, Boobie, Pavlovic & Szerbiak.
That team has a good mix of proven veterans/former all stars 1-3 years removed, & young talent like Varejao, Shannon Brown, & Delonte West who was a good defender.
That team was 12 deep with competent players. Why some of them had worse years playing with Lebron, I'll never know. He's an anomaly & not everyone can easily adjust their game to him back then when he was still basically a senior in college who couldn't hit a reliable jumper. It hurt the spacing.
Who is the last shooter that Lebron groomed into a sniper after the acquired him? James Jones?
Jordan elevated Paxon, Hodges's, & Armstrong; they weren't hired guns like Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Kyle Korver & the like
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:10 pm to monkeybutt
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You're still here making yourself look like a moron? I'm impressed actually
Yet you still have nothing of substance to add except for slinging poo, like usual
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monkeybutt
Go find a safe space or seek counsel with your pastor in your church of Lebron, grown folks are talking. Tell me again all the legendary teams he warriored through to reach the top of the East.
Oh, that's right, he divided & conquered the conference to erase the competition, then bolted when his squad got old for a younger one. Such loyalty!
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:24 pm to shel311
How many of those had less than 50 wins? How many for the West?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:33 pm to AjaxFury
I assumed you meant the finals team. My bad.
He averaged 11 a game with a trash Bulls team on below average efficiency (51% ts). He was a decent rotation player at best.
Yeah and he was 33. Don't know if you've noticed but a lot of players drop off pretty hard around that age.
Gooden was an even more inefficient scorer (49% ts is awful for a big man) and was a horrid defender on top of that.
Great. Too bad he offered literally nothing else.
Another terribly inefficient scorer (47% ts). He was traded midway through the season.
Barely played and was traded.
Finally an actual good all-around player.
I dunno, maybe because half of them were 30+ years old?
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He avg 10 pts & 5 RPG in only 22 MPG. That's damn good efficiency for a bench guy.
He averaged 11 a game with a trash Bulls team on below average efficiency (51% ts). He was a decent rotation player at best.
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He avg 10.8 RPG & 2.0 BLK the season b4 CLE signed him
Yeah and he was 33. Don't know if you've noticed but a lot of players drop off pretty hard around that age.
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He avg 12.6 PPG & 8.6 RPG splitting time with Joe Smith, that's a solid combined avg at the PF spot with Smith.
Gooden was an even more inefficient scorer (49% ts is awful for a big man) and was a horrid defender on top of that.
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Gibson shot 44% from 3, which was great in the days the 3pt shot wasnt the emphasis
Great. Too bad he offered literally nothing else.
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Hughes avg 15 PPG the year prior & avg 13 PPG in '07
Another terribly inefficient scorer (47% ts). He was traded midway through the season.
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Shannon Brown
Barely played and was traded.
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Delonte West
Finally an actual good all-around player.
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Why some of them had worse years playing with Lebron, I'll never know.
I dunno, maybe because half of them were 30+ years old?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:43 pm to cubsfan5150
quote:Look it up, and let me know. It's irrelevant to the context of my post, but go for it.
How many of those had less than 50 wins? How many for the West?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:50 pm to AjaxFury
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You fanatics always say "don't penalize Lebron for losing in the Finals, at least he made it"
....this brings up a point which is seldom mentioned in these conversations: MJ's finals record is important not because of the winning percentage. It really exemplifies how clutch Jordan was.
When it really mattered the most, Jordan was at his very peak. And he never had to learn that part of the mental game, it was just something he always did. Jordan couldn't go less than 100%.
Posted on 5/18/17 at 5:53 pm to Pocket Kingz
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:00 pm to ReauxlTide222
I am so freaking lucky to be alive to see LBJ ball out.
I also think his eventual decline is still going to have him be a great player in the post so here is to several more years of the King
I also think his eventual decline is still going to have him be a great player in the post so here is to several more years of the King
This post was edited on 5/18/17 at 6:01 pm
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:07 pm to Pocket Kingz
quote:So losing before the Finals doesn't matter as much?
When it really mattered the most
Posted on 5/18/17 at 6:30 pm to AjaxFury
quote:Armstrong and Hodges' career high 3pt% were both NOT with Chicago.
Who is the last shooter that Lebron groomed into a sniper after the acquired him? James Jones?
Jordan elevated Paxon, Hodges's, & Armstrong; they weren't hired guns like Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Kyle Korver & the like
Check Mo Williams. 43.6% and 42.9% from 3 the 2 season with LeBron. Never got to 39% in any other of the 11 seasons he played.
Daniel Gibson shot 46.6% in LEbron's last season in CLE. He was out of the league 3 seasons later.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 1:49 am to shel311
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Why make things up like that?
Goddam, you simple Simon motherfrickers can't read.
I said "for a decade"- which means 10 years-- posted the 2003-2004 records...so that would take us to 2013-2014 for a decade. And yes, look it up- at least 6 of 10 in those years you had playoff teams with losing records.
Tell me, how many playoff teams had losing records in the East during that time span if it wasn't six? Maybe I miscounted one.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 2:56 am to mindbreaker
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second best player in the league on his team for a number of years in Scottie Pippen
Are you high or just dumb as shite?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 3:22 am to AjaxFury
quote:This is what you said.
Goddam, you simple Simon motherfrickers can't read.
quote:From the 03-04 season to 12-13 season, of the 40 5-8 seeds: 31 teams were .500 or better, 9 were sub .500.
most of the 5-8 seeds for almost a decade did have sub .500 records
Simple Simon motherfricker can't even do simple math.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 3:33 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 5:59 am to AjaxFury
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Jordan was so dominant, his teams went to game 7 ZERO TIMES
Jordan got swept in the first round Twice and lost 4-1 in a third. Lebron has never lost a first round playoff series.
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His teams never let them hang around to get that far. You fanatics always say "don't penalize Lebron for losing in the Finals, at least he made it" Well, don't penalize Jordan because he was such a killer that he never needed a game 7.
Nice of you to just pick the history you want to showcase and ignore the rest.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 7:16 am to Pocket Kingz
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It really exemplifies how clutch Jordan was.
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When it really mattered the most, Jordan was at his very peak
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nd he never had to learn that part of the mental game, it was just something he always did.
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Jordan couldn't go less than 100%.
, This is why these debates are so futile. Look at the subjective shite LeBron is up against. This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 7:28 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 7:27 am to AjaxFury
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These Lebron threads are so disingenous when no one considers quality of competition on road to the finals.
This is fricking laughable when Jordan gets credit for beating the "80s Celtics" and "90s Pistons". Did those great teams stand in his way? Sure. Did he beat them at their peak? No, he didn't.
He played the great Celtics - or any Celtics team, for that matter - twice in his career. He was swept both times.
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