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re: 2018 Super Bowl...who gets it?
Posted on 5/8/14 at 2:15 pm to VOLhalla
Posted on 5/8/14 at 2:15 pm to VOLhalla
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So your argument for the NFL having the Super Bowl in Minneapolis, Indianapolis, and Detroit (twice mind you) is that they were forced to do so? Please provide some links. And I'm including New York with the others above because they're all cold-weather cities that have hosted successful Super Bowls
Ford is a huge NFL sponsor. Is it written word that the NFL promised them that? No because that wouldn't be ethical. Was it basically hinted at? Absolutely. Go video pole 100 people and ask them where they want to go for a super bowl, all expenses paid. NOLA, Indy, Minneapolis, or Detroit. I would wager money more than 50% would say NOLA.
NY is not comparable because NYC stands on its own as an attraction. The others do not.
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Posted on 5/8/14 at 2:18 pm to VOLhalla
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The NFL cares about ticket sales and tv revenue. It doesn't care if you had a great time at the beach.
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You realize in Seattle or Denver you could go skiing and party at ski lodges preceding the Super Bowl? All the cities mentioned have awesome bars and restaurants too. A Super Bowl in any city mentioned in this thread would be an awesome time
Nice contradiction
Posted on 5/8/14 at 2:19 pm to Patron Saint
I'm also not saying those cities never deserve to get one. I'm saying that they won't with regularity like NOLA/Miami/Tampa do.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 2:23 pm to Patron Saint
I argued against your point without conceding your point. Perfectly logical
Posted on 5/8/14 at 2:41 pm to Geauxld Finger
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Go video pole 100 people and ask them where they want to go for a super bowl, all expenses paid. NOLA, Indy, Minneapolis, or Detroit. I would wager money more than 50% would say NOLA.
Your opinion isn't shared by everyone. Not a lot of people would probably want to go to Detroit, but a hell of a lot of people visit Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Denver, and Seattle each year. There's a lot of stuff there. The mall of America alone in Minnesota has more than 40 million customers a year.
Eta: tourism numbers are hard to find, but New Orleans had 9 million visitors in 2012 and Denver had 13 million in 2013. People travel to these cities.
New Orleans
Denver
This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 5/8/14 at 2:48 pm to VOLhalla
I never said Denver was bad. Im just telling you that cities like Detroit, and Minneapolis will not host as often as NOLA. It is a top tier host city along with miami and tampa.
Denver would be fun. Detroit, Minny and Indy, not so much. If Minneapolis's sole sell is a giant mall...
Denver would be fun. Detroit, Minny and Indy, not so much. If Minneapolis's sole sell is a giant mall...
Posted on 5/8/14 at 2:54 pm to Geauxld Finger
27 million people per year visit Minneapolis/St. Paul
LINK
That's three times as many as New Orleans. You think that many people go there because there's nothing to do?
LINK
That's three times as many as New Orleans. You think that many people go there because there's nothing to do?
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:02 pm to VOLhalla
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That's three times as many as New Orleans. You think that many people go there because there's nothing to do?
Now can you find the out of state numbers?
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How travelers spend their money: (Visitors spent $6.9 billion last year)
Something doesn't add up here.
New Orleans visitors spent $6 billion with 9 million visitors
yet Minny only had $6.9 billion from almost 3x the amount of visitors?
This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:05 pm to VOLhalla
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I argued against your point without conceding your point. Perfectly logical
So the NFL doesn't care if people have fun within a city but they do care if you have fun hours outside of the city at a ski resort?
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The mall of America alone in Minnesota has more than 40 million customers a year.
That is very different than 40 million unique visitors. It's also probably counting people multiple times if they make purchases at different stores within the mall.
Also, the last link you posted was to an advertisement by the Minneapolis-St. Paul Official Visitors Guide.
This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:10 pm to TigerBait1127
These numbers are hard to find. Don't know where to get that info. Maybe New Orleans is more expensive to visit than the twin cities? Maybe the average visitor spends a lot more on booze and strippers in New Orleans?
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:10 pm to TigerBait1127
Houston
St. Louis
Tampa
In that order.
St. Louis
Tampa
In that order.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:10 pm to VOLhalla
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27 million people per year visit Minneapolis/St. Paul
your math is flawed. Find me out of state visitors. Also with three professional sports franchises, I have no doubts that there may be more visitors, but to me the telling sign is in the dollars spent. People vacation in nola. they go to minn/st. paul on business trips and maybe a weekend for a twins series
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:12 pm to VOLhalla
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Maybe New Orleans is more expensive to visit than the twin cities?
New Orleans is actually incredibly affordable
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Maybe the average visitor spends a lot more on booze and strippers in New Orleans?
There is too drastic of a difference
Do you really think Minny gets more visitors than New Orleans or Denver?
Chicago had $11.8 billion spent with around 45 million visitors...
This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:13 pm to Geauxld Finger
I'll make it perfectly clear for you in terms of tiers of attractive hosts
Top Tier: most likely hosts (every 5-7 years)
Miami
New Orleans
Tampa
Phoenix/Tempe
Second Tier: every 7-10 years
Dallas (could move to tier 1)
NYC
San Diego (would be tier one but shite stadium)
LA (would be tier one but no franchise)
Atlanta
Houston
Third Tier: every 10-15 years maybe
Detroit
Minneapolis
Indy
Jacksonville
Top Tier: most likely hosts (every 5-7 years)
Miami
New Orleans
Tampa
Phoenix/Tempe
Second Tier: every 7-10 years
Dallas (could move to tier 1)
NYC
San Diego (would be tier one but shite stadium)
LA (would be tier one but no franchise)
Atlanta
Houston
Third Tier: every 10-15 years maybe
Detroit
Minneapolis
Indy
Jacksonville
This post was edited on 5/8/14 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:14 pm to Patron Saint
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So the NFL doesn't care if people have fun within a city but they do care if you have fun hours outside of the city at a ski resort?
No I said the NFL cares about tickets and tv ratings. But if they did care about how great your experience was with the city then that's not an issue. All the cities we are talking about (except maybe Detroit) are cities that people like. Hence the number of tourists.
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That is very different than 40 million unique visitors. It's also probably counting people multiple times if they make purchases at different stores within the mall.
Of course, that's why I kept looking for other numbers.
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Also, the last link you posted was to an advertisement by the Minneapolis-St. Paul Official Visitors Guide.
The only source I could find with actual numbers
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:15 pm to Patron Saint
Both Miami (Dolphins Stadium & Orange Bowl) and New Orleans (Super Dome and Tulane Stadium) have hosted the most super bowls at 10 each.
Saying it will be "a very long time" until New Orleans hosts again is utterly retarded.
Saying it will be "a very long time" until New Orleans hosts again is utterly retarded.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:18 pm to Geauxld Finger
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your math is flawed. Find me out of state visitors. Also with three professional sports franchises, I have no doubts that there may be more visitors, but to me the telling sign is in the dollars spent. People vacation in nola. they go to minn/st. paul on business trips and maybe a weekend for a twins series
Only numbers I could find, but there is no doubt that there are things that attract a lot of visitors to Minneapolis. And the total money spent is still higher than New Orleans.
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:22 pm to TigerBait1127
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New Orleans is actually incredibly affordable
So is Minneapolis.
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There is too drastic of a difference Do you really think Minny gets more visitors than New Orleans or Denver? Chicago had $11.8 billion spent with around 45 million visitors...
I could see Minneapolis getting a lot more visitors than New Orleans and the numbers I've posted show a large disparity. Denver too.
The money spent to visitors ratio is about the same between Chicago and Minneapolis
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:26 pm to Samso
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Both Miami (Dolphins Stadium & Orange Bowl) and New Orleans (Super Dome and Tulane Stadium) have hosted the most super bowls at 10 each. Saying it will be "a very long time" until New Orleans hosts again is utterly retarded.
I think the NFL is making a push towards hosting the Super Bowl in cities that haven't hosted before, especially cold weather locations. I don't think anyone said it would be a 'very long time" until New Orleans hosts again
Posted on 5/8/14 at 3:28 pm to VOLhalla
I think you have strayed away from what your general point was. Nola is and always will be a more attractive city to host a super bowl. its a fact, and the numbers support it. It's more likely to get a game than the likes of detroit or minnesota
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