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re: 2015 MLB HOF Ballot Announced: STAAACKED
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:02 pm to barry
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:02 pm to barry
Well no but people keep bringing up "What if he didn't pitch in the bullpen/closer" argument for his win totals. So if can be brought up and speculated, although I am sure Smoltz wishes he would have quit 2 years earlier....
Also could we speculate on Smoltz and steroids, I mean at 40 years old in 2007 he went 14-8 with a 3.11 ERA in 32 starts....
Seems many players get a pass and others who showed remarkable consistency in their late 30's and early 40's are blasted for steroid use.
Also could we speculate on Smoltz and steroids, I mean at 40 years old in 2007 he went 14-8 with a 3.11 ERA in 32 starts....
Seems many players get a pass and others who showed remarkable consistency in their late 30's and early 40's are blasted for steroid use.
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:02 pm to gadknot
quote:
n im not sure you would call this stacked but smoltz, big unit, and Pedro have to be first ballot
Ummm greatest hitting catcher in MLB history Mike Piazza?
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:07 pm to barry
If I was voting...
Randy Johnson
Pedro
Biggio
Piazza
Bagwell
Clemens
Bonds
McGwire
Sosa
Smoltz
I don't care that some of them did the roids.
Randy Johnson
Pedro
Biggio
Piazza
Bagwell
Clemens
Bonds
McGwire
Sosa
Smoltz
I don't care that some of them did the roids.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:09 pm to LSUBoo
If I was voting
Bonds
Clemens
Randy
Pedro
Piazza
Bagwell
Biggio
Sosa
Smoltz
Bonds
Clemens
Randy
Pedro
Piazza
Bagwell
Biggio
Sosa
Smoltz
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:10 pm to tduecen
I don't see how you can vote for Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa and leave off McGwire.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:14 pm to LSUBoo
because McGwire was so 1 dimensional....
Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens were the best of the best at multiple facets of the game... McGwire was not a good defensive player (-12.8 WAR during his career) he did not hit for a high average (.263 career) but he drew a walk and hit home runs....
Bonds, Sosa, and Clemens were the best of the best at multiple facets of the game... McGwire was not a good defensive player (-12.8 WAR during his career) he did not hit for a high average (.263 career) but he drew a walk and hit home runs....
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:17 pm to tduecen
Yeah, I agree that he's the weakest case out of the bunch, but the only reason McGwire isn't in is the same reason those guys aren't in... steroids.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:19 pm to LSUBoo
even if all things were fair I think McGwire would be below all of those guys and his numbers diminished because of roids.
Without much else except for his power numbers is he really a HoF or just a Hall of Good?
Without much else except for his power numbers is he really a HoF or just a Hall of Good?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:30 pm to tduecen
quote:
Without much else except for his power numbers is he really a HoF or just a Hall of Good?
Um he has a career .393 OPS, pair that with elite power, thats a hell of a baseball player.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:39 pm to barry
Mike piazza can't be first ballot considering he already didn't get voted in
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:39 pm to goldennugget
quote:
I am not sure if any of them are locks. It's stacked but none are a surefire thing.
randy johnson is the best LHP everPosted on 11/24/14 at 2:41 pm to barry
quote:Again I said if all things were equal, Bonds and Clemens were HOF players before roids, was McGwire? Would his career have ended earlier? Idk... but he was a low BA, high walk, power guy....
Um he has a career .393 OPS, pair that with elite power, thats a hell of a baseball player.
Would he be more Adam Dunn? without the roids?
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:02 pm to gadknot
quote:
Mike piazza can't be first ballot considering he already didn't get voted in
I said the ballot is stacked. He is on the ballot.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:10 pm to barry
I just think of stacked as a bunch of 1st ballot locks. I guess 3 is pretty solid these days.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:11 pm to tduecen
quote:
If Kevin Brown can't get in Smoltz shouldn't be first ballot (I think Kevin Brown has a strong resume as well)
Smotlz's resume is better than Brown's. Plus Brown did steroids. He'll never make the hall.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:19 pm to tduecen
quote:
Again I said if all things were equal, Bonds and Clemens were HOF players before roids, was McGwire? Would his career have ended earlier? Idk... but he was a low BA, high walk, power guy....
Would he be more Adam Dunn? without the roids?
McGwire has a higher OPS+ than any HOF 1B besides Lou Gehrig & Jimmie Foxx
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:20 pm to Lester Earl
I don't suspect Smoltz to be clean either... hell I don't think any player from the 90's is 100% clean
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:21 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Again we are looking at what he did on roids, would his career lasted as long without the steroids? Would he have hit as many home runs? We will never know but before roids I would rank him below Bonds/Clemens/Piazza still
McGwire has a higher OPS+ than any HOF 1B besides Lou Gehrig & Jimmie Foxx
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:23 pm to barry
quote:
Randy Johnson
Pedro Martinez
John Smoltz
Guaranteed 1st Ballots
Biggio will also get in.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 3:26 pm to tduecen
McGwire hit 50 HRs as a skinny-arse rookie in 1987.
was a power hitter at USC as well.
so he kinda always had power
was a power hitter at USC as well.
so he kinda always had power
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