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re: 2015 MLB HOF Ballot Announced: STAAACKED
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:06 am to barry
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:06 am to barry
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He pitched the majority of his career on one of the most consistent winning franchises in ML history. His Win totals are Petites level inflated IMO
But they are still 200+.
Maybe you're right and he won't be first-ballot, but he'll get in.
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Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:07 am to Reames239
I don't understand why people get up in arms over biggio not making the hall yet, but do not do the same for bagwell. In my opinion, Bagwell was the much better player. Biggio has the accumulation accomplishments, but I don't think those are enough to overshadow how much better Bagwell was per season than bigg (and I say this as a lifetime Astros fan)
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:08 am to cjk5h
Because Bags is just assumed to have been a juicer.
He'd probably have a better shot if he had reached a milestone number like 500 HRs
He'd probably have a better shot if he had reached a milestone number like 500 HRs
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:08 am to tduecen
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He would have 250 wins easily if not for the move to the bullpen but his ERA would be closer to the 3.45-3.50 mark IMO
His ERA as a starter is 3.40
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:10 am to barry
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Everyone is just throwing Smoltz in. He's a lot more of a borderline HOF than most would think.
200W/150SV- unique
3000Ks- unique
Goat postseason stats- unique
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:14 am to craigbiggio
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He'd probably have a better shot if he had reached a milestone number like 500 HRs
I agree, even though I think 500 HRs is a dumb, arbitrary milestone.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:15 am to Lester Earl
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200W/150SV- unique
Pointless unique.
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3000Ks- unique
Probably the best one, but his ERA numbers are quite meh for striking out that many
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Goat postseason stats- unique
Thats legit.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:21 am to barry
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Pointless unique.
well it shows that he was pretty damn good at everything he did(led the league is saves one year). Also shows that him moving to the bullpen took away from potential wins that he could have earned.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:23 am to barry
Pedro and Randy Johnson should be unanimous first ballot HOFers.
After that Smoltz, Biggio and Piazza in that order.
They should all continue to blackball Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, etc.
After that Smoltz, Biggio and Piazza in that order.
They should all continue to blackball Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, Sosa, etc.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:26 am to Lester Earl
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well it shows that he was pretty damn good at everything he did(led the league is saves one year). Also shows that him moving to the bullpen took away from potential wins that he could have earned.
Well I find it funny that the committee hates relievers but it would add to Smoltz HOF value that he was a reliever for 3 years.
As a starter he finished top 5 in the NL in ERA 3 times. That just doesn't strike me as no brainer HOF.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:34 am to barry
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Well I find it funny that the committee hates relievers but it would add to Smoltz HOF value that he was a reliever for 3 years.
well i think they hate career relievers, for its really hard to gauge their value, unless you're Mariano Rivera..
I think they'll look at Smoltz differently. Throwing in the pen for 3 years and being really good at it, though...
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As a starter he finished top 5 in the NL in ERA 3 times. That just doesn't strike me as no brainer HOF.
That alone probably doesn't, but everything together is pretty strong.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:42 am to Lester Earl
If Kevin Brown can't get in Smoltz shouldn't be first ballot (I think Kevin Brown has a strong resume as well)
Smoltz deserves to get in, I just think there are players on the ballot who deserve it more right now
Smoltz deserves to get in, I just think there are players on the ballot who deserve it more right now
Posted on 11/24/14 at 11:43 am to Lester Earl
and for right or wrong, I think the fact that he was a dominant closer for several years and THEN went back to starting and was a great starter for a few more years will help
Posted on 11/24/14 at 12:21 pm to barry
The backlog is ridiculous. The BBWAA's refusal to elect worthy candidates has now resulted in a ballot so loaded with Hall of Famers it will be extremely difficult for anyone but the most inner circle of inner circle Hall of Famers to get into the Hall.
The Big Unit and Pedro should be locks and Biggio should get the standard tagalong effect when a guy just misses the previous year, but the rest of the ballot is gonna get f'n screwed. Again.
Though this is the time to rejoice in those marginal players who just making the ballot is an honor. Brian Giles was a hell of a player. He's no Hall of Famer, but it's cool for he and guys like Darren Erstad and Tony Clark to take a well-deserved bow.
The Big Unit and Pedro should be locks and Biggio should get the standard tagalong effect when a guy just misses the previous year, but the rest of the ballot is gonna get f'n screwed. Again.
Though this is the time to rejoice in those marginal players who just making the ballot is an honor. Brian Giles was a hell of a player. He's no Hall of Famer, but it's cool for he and guys like Darren Erstad and Tony Clark to take a well-deserved bow.
Posted on 11/24/14 at 1:14 pm to Baloo
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Though this is the time to rejoice in those marginal players who just making the ballot is an honor
Tom Gordon
21 major league seasons. Only 101 players have ever played 21 seasons
Posted on 11/24/14 at 1:17 pm to tduecen
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Smoltz: 213-155 3.33 ERA 53 complete games 3084 strikeouts 125 ERA+
Lets not forget what Smoltz did as a closer...
Posted on 11/24/14 at 1:23 pm to dukke v
Which as we discussed, helped his ERA/ERA+ just a bit... now had he continued as a starter for those 3 years and averaged his 12 wins 8 losses (average over his career as a starter) he adds 48 wins and 32 losses, personally I think he would have won 60 over same 4 year span and stayed at 8 losses (15-8 record) but his career ERA would have been a bit higher than what he finished with.
Although he probably finishes with 3300 strikeouts if that is the case as well
Although he probably finishes with 3300 strikeouts if that is the case as well
Posted on 11/24/14 at 1:53 pm to tduecen
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Which as we discussed, helped his ERA/ERA+ just a bit... now had he continued as a starter for those 3 years and averaged his 12 wins 8 losses (average over his career as a starter) he adds 48 wins and 32 losses, personally I think he would have won 60 over same 4 year span and stayed at 8 losses (15-8 record) but his career ERA would have been a bit higher than what he finished with.
If if's and buts were candy and nuts
It may have helped extend his career by pitching only 60 innings for 3 years. If he started he could have been out of baseball 5 years early due to a bad arm. Can't make speculations like this.
This post was edited on 11/24/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 11/24/14 at 1:56 pm to TOKEN
Once you take into account that bonds and Clemens arent getting in im not sure you would call this stacked but smoltz, big unit, and Pedro have to be first ballot
Posted on 11/24/14 at 2:00 pm to barry
Randy johnson
Pedro
Smoltz
Sheffield
Biggio
Piazza
All deserve to be in
Pedro
Smoltz
Sheffield
Biggio
Piazza
All deserve to be in
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