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re: 1991 Washington Redskins is the best pro football team of all-time
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:12 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:12 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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Hey nutlicker, you asked what point he was trying to prove
WOW....
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Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:28 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
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PROBLEM??????
YES... Quit trolling and ADD to the thread....
How about that????? HUH/???
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:29 pm to dukke v
The troll calling someone else a troll.
You asked a dumb question. I answered the dumb question.
Don't like it? Don't ask dumb questions.
ETA: I'm proud of you. You haven't resorted to physical threats yet.
You asked a dumb question. I answered the dumb question.
Don't like it? Don't ask dumb questions.
ETA: I'm proud of you. You haven't resorted to physical threats yet.
This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:50 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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They dominate opponents and limit negatives and 39 TOs are a BIG negative that entail recklessness and inefficiency
I'm sorry but this is completely meaningless without context. For someone beating people over the head with advanced metrics thats pretty amazing. Sadly you do your own stats based arguments a disfavor by saying stuff like this.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 10:58 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Wow, bc Mark Rypien had an amazing season where he was incredibly efficient
Did he? He had a very good season but hardly "amazing" he completed 59% of his passes which was pretty good back then, though not so hot now if we are going to judge the 78 Steelers based on modern TO numbers. In 89 Montana completed 70% unheard of then and was 20 points better than the #2 guy, now that is an amazing season.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 11:10 pm to H-Town Tiger
Another batch of sorryass counters attempting to transpose certain contexts onto another context to win an argument when it's quite evident that none of that can be proven or accurately adjusted. You take the teams for when they played and assess based off their accomplishments within the league THAT year. Is this too difficult to comprehend? There's no impartial, simulated adjudicator unaffected by extraneous factors to determine this, so that entire counter is COMPLETELY MOOT. #ThankYouComeAgain
Posted on 6/8/17 at 7:44 am to ThePTExperience1969
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You take the teams for when they played and assess based off their accomplishments within the league THAT year. Is this too difficult to comprehend
It's not, that's why you can't make a blanket statement like a team with 39 turnovers can not be considered the best because that's too many mistakes you have no idea without providing the context of THAT season.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:01 am to Baloo
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Art Monk had to wait over a decade despite owning many of the records Jerry Rice would later break.
Art Monk was a good player, but he couldn't carry Rice's jock.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 8:47 am to FightinTigersDammit
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Art Monk was a great player, but no WR could carry Rice's jock.
FIFY
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:07 am to RedHawk
Agreed......
Posted on 6/8/17 at 9:47 am to H-Town Tiger
Turnovers are turnovers, I don't care how hard you attempt to spin it. IIRC, the league average in 91 for turnovers was roughly 35 but the Redskins only committed 23 with a +18 TO margin and thus that translated to a higher MOV than the 78 Steelers against a tougher schedule. Rypien threw half the int amount Bradshaw did and they fumbled the ball less, I don't see the dispute.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:18 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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FWIW, before they became SJW sports soap opera..
ESPN did their ultimate Super Bowl rankings - ranking every Super Bowl team in history.
And..other people have said the 91 redskins were the best of all time. Including Fox Sports among others.
LINK
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:21 am to ThePTExperience1969
The dispute has s that the Steelers were a great enough team to overcome all this negatives.....
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:22 am to RedHawk
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Art Monk was a great player, but no WR could carry Rice's jock.
I'm not sure I'm willing to call Monk 'great'.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:31 am to FightinTigersDammit
For his time, especially in the Gibbs offense, he most certainly was.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:32 am to cubsfan5150
Agree to disagree 
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:34 am to dukke v
But the Redskins were great enough to not create their own negatives and still dominate opponents and win the championship. Both have the same record and the SB but Redskins incurred less TOs and higher TO margin.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:36 am to ThePTExperience1969
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Turnovers are turnovers, I don't care how hard you attempt to spin it. IIRC, the league average in 91 for turnovers was roughly 35 but the Redskins only committed 23 with a +18 TO
Well what was the league avg in 78? That's the point you are missing, we don't know the context, were they over or under the avg and +/- are more telling than the raw numbers that's all I'm saying.
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Rypien threw half the int amount Bradshaw
I know this will upset people like PJ, but I think Bradshaw is overrated. That said, the rules and offense changed over time, int totals across the board are much lower over time.
Posted on 6/8/17 at 10:39 am to H-Town Tiger
He was overrated... no argument here... he has amazing players around him on both sides of the ball... however in his last two SB's he was really good.....
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