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re: 1991 Washington Redskins is the best pro football team of all-time
Posted on 6/7/17 at 5:01 pm to dukke v
Posted on 6/7/17 at 5:01 pm to dukke v
The 1978 Steelers are good but they played a weak schedule and committed a whopping 39 TOs, 22 INTs. Prone to turnovers renders that a major liability when discussing the best teams of all-time, can't in good conscious consider them among the best bc of that.
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Posted on 6/7/17 at 5:02 pm to ffhouston
Check the record brah, best total defense by a factor of 400 yards in 91.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 5:44 pm to ThePTExperience1969
That would be 2002 Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 
Posted on 6/7/17 at 5:56 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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and committed a whopping 39 TOs, 22 INTs
And yet went 14-2... And won the SB...
Tell me what A good team is supposed to do.... If the Steelers were effected by these things.. It didn't show...........
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:04 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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1978 Steelers are good but they played a weak schedule and committed a whopping 39 TOs, 22 INTs
5.4 Ints per 100 passes was the league average in 1978.
And 18 fumbles for the season was the league average in 1978.
It was the era of defenses. Steelers weren't much different in the turnover category than most any team back then.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:14 pm to dukke v
They dominate opponents and limit negatives and 39 TOs are a BIG negative that entail recklessness and inefficiency therefore the smaller TO margin than the 91 Redskins and smaller MOV. Should a team that commits that many turnovers ever be considered among the absolute best? I say no and so should other football critics and analysts.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:20 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Should a team that commits that many turnovers ever be considered among the absolute best? I say no and so should other football critics and analysts.
They still went 14-2 and dominated through the Playoffs and beat A much better team in the SB......
They being able to overcome ALL those turnovers and STILL go 14-2 is pretty impressive... They had to play A great Houston 3 times and pounded them in the AFCChampionship game 34-5.. The Oilers were A MUCH better team than the Lions were in 1991.......... Like I said... You can spin it all you want and have YOUR opinion , but... I watced EVERY team we are talking about and the teams I said were better,,, well,,, they were....
I LOVE the Old days Redskins teams.... Riggins in 1983 had one of the greatest seasons in NFL history for A RB...........
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:22 pm to ThePTExperience1969
The Dead Ball Era peaked in a 1977 season that featured both the stingiest defense in modern history (Atlanta, 9.2 PPG). Rams allowed just 10.4 PPG and the Broncos allowed just 10.6 PPG.
The 1985 Bears allowed 12.4 PPG.
3 of the 11 stingiest defenses in the Super Bowl Era all played in 1977.
Of the top 15 toughest scoring-defenses of all-time, 11 played in the 1970's.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:24 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Then how can the 78 Steelers distinguish themselves as one of the all-time best teams when they conform to the league norm of turnover ineptitude that season? It really does nothing but enforce my point about limiting negatives.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:25 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Cool.. But the BEST defense of the 70's was the 1976 Steelers... They started 1-4 and then won 9 straight and had 5 shutouts.. they gave up 138 points the whole year... Even back then its pretty incredible... IF they have had Franco and Rocky for the AFCCG In Oakland they may have just won it...
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:42 pm to ThePTExperience1969
Depends if you're using 70's rules or 91 rules.
I'm not saying the 1978 Steelers are the best ever...what I was actually saying you can't do two things:
1) Use modern sensibilities to judge their turnover margin as a major knock against them...you could do that, teams did that and win a lot. In the 2000's you wouldn't at all because teams would capitalize at a high percentage.
2) You can't use defense as your only argument that any team was the best ever from the 1970's - they have to have been balanced and not just a running threat but a potent passing attack. I mean tons of teams were like the 2000 Ravens in the 1970s - all D, very shaky QB.
I'm not saying the 1978 Steelers are the best ever...what I was actually saying you can't do two things:
1) Use modern sensibilities to judge their turnover margin as a major knock against them...you could do that, teams did that and win a lot. In the 2000's you wouldn't at all because teams would capitalize at a high percentage.
2) You can't use defense as your only argument that any team was the best ever from the 1970's - they have to have been balanced and not just a running threat but a potent passing attack. I mean tons of teams were like the 2000 Ravens in the 1970s - all D, very shaky QB.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:46 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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Then how can the 78 Steelers distinguish themselves as one of the all-time best teams when they conform to the league norm of turnover ineptitude that season?
How are you missing the point????
They OVERCAME those TO'S enough to dominate the AFC that year and beat A great Cowboys team in the SB... Stats DO NOT mean everything....
If you want to base this whole thing on the fact that the Redskins had fewer TO'S in 1991 than the Steelers had in 1978, then go ahead..............
Posted on 6/7/17 at 6:52 pm to dukke v
I never wholly based this whole thing on that element and that should've been effectively conveyed with my first post on this thread.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 7:39 pm to ThePTExperience1969
FWIW, before they became SJW sports soap opera..
ESPN did their ultimate Super Bowl rankings - ranking every Super Bowl team in history.
When composing the rankings, we considered myriad factors: offensive and defensive rankings, strength of schedule, record against teams .500 or better, point differential, postseason performance and, perhaps most importantly, the presence of difference-making players and coaches.
80. The 1979 Rams were ranked the worst Super Bowl team.
1. The 1989 Niners were ranked the greatest Super Bowl team.
What, you want to bet against Joe Montana and Jerry Rice? This team gets our nod due to its excellence on both sides of the ball, mind-boggling statistics and perhaps the most dominant postseason run in NFL history. This team gave us Montana, Rice, Roger Craig, Ronnie Lott and Charles Haley in their primes. It also boasted the largest margin of victory in Super Bowl history, scoring 55 points against the NFL's best scoring defense.
This team had a future Hall of Famer, Steve Young, as its backup quarterback. Montana recorded the third-highest single-season passer rating in NFL history – more than 20 points higher than the No. 2 mark that season. Rice was unstoppable, as he and John Taylor teamed for 142 receptions, 2,560 yards and 27 touchdowns.
His offensive coordinator was Mike Holmgren, who would go on to guide three Super Bowl participants as head coach. San Francisco won 13 games by double digits, including playoff scores of 41-13, 30-3 and 55-10. The 49ers also went 8-0 on the road.
The 1991 Redskins were ranked #10.
If you're a Redskins fan, we know you're angry. And know what? You may be right. There is a case that this isn't just the greatest Redskins team ever, but the greatest of any team. Their point differential (+261) is tied for second-best since the 16-game schedule began. They lost two games by a combined five points, and one of those came in the final game. They dominated the playoffs. They recorded 50 sacks and allowed just nine. They played a tough schedule. But two things prevent a higher ranking: While Washington ran the ball a lot, it wasn't a great running team (just 18th in average yards per carry). And while Mark Rypien didn't have exactly a fluke season, he certainly had a career year. And we're having a little trouble getting past ranking a team with Rypien higher than 10th.
Top 5
1. 1989 Niners
2. 1985 Bears
3. 1978 Steelers
4. 1992 Cowboys
5. 1984 Niners
ESPN did their ultimate Super Bowl rankings - ranking every Super Bowl team in history.
When composing the rankings, we considered myriad factors: offensive and defensive rankings, strength of schedule, record against teams .500 or better, point differential, postseason performance and, perhaps most importantly, the presence of difference-making players and coaches.
80. The 1979 Rams were ranked the worst Super Bowl team.
1. The 1989 Niners were ranked the greatest Super Bowl team.
What, you want to bet against Joe Montana and Jerry Rice? This team gets our nod due to its excellence on both sides of the ball, mind-boggling statistics and perhaps the most dominant postseason run in NFL history. This team gave us Montana, Rice, Roger Craig, Ronnie Lott and Charles Haley in their primes. It also boasted the largest margin of victory in Super Bowl history, scoring 55 points against the NFL's best scoring defense.
This team had a future Hall of Famer, Steve Young, as its backup quarterback. Montana recorded the third-highest single-season passer rating in NFL history – more than 20 points higher than the No. 2 mark that season. Rice was unstoppable, as he and John Taylor teamed for 142 receptions, 2,560 yards and 27 touchdowns.
His offensive coordinator was Mike Holmgren, who would go on to guide three Super Bowl participants as head coach. San Francisco won 13 games by double digits, including playoff scores of 41-13, 30-3 and 55-10. The 49ers also went 8-0 on the road.
The 1991 Redskins were ranked #10.
If you're a Redskins fan, we know you're angry. And know what? You may be right. There is a case that this isn't just the greatest Redskins team ever, but the greatest of any team. Their point differential (+261) is tied for second-best since the 16-game schedule began. They lost two games by a combined five points, and one of those came in the final game. They dominated the playoffs. They recorded 50 sacks and allowed just nine. They played a tough schedule. But two things prevent a higher ranking: While Washington ran the ball a lot, it wasn't a great running team (just 18th in average yards per carry). And while Mark Rypien didn't have exactly a fluke season, he certainly had a career year. And we're having a little trouble getting past ranking a team with Rypien higher than 10th.
Top 5
1. 1989 Niners
2. 1985 Bears
3. 1978 Steelers
4. 1992 Cowboys
5. 1984 Niners
Posted on 6/7/17 at 7:39 pm to ThePTExperience1969
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This post was edited on 6/7/17 at 7:40 pm
Posted on 6/7/17 at 7:44 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Wow, bc Mark Rypien had an amazing season where he was incredibly efficient and won Super Bowl MVP they'll use that as a partial rationale to exclude them from at least the top 5? Shows the credibility, or lack thereof, that list possesses.
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:05 pm to ThePTExperience1969
OK...Why did you start this thread???
What point are you trying to prove????
What point are you trying to prove????
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:07 pm to dukke v
quote:Seems pretty obvious........
What point are you trying to prove????
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:08 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
Seems pretty obvious........
OK smartass..... TROLL.... SHOW ME your NFL knowledge...................
Posted on 6/7/17 at 8:09 pm to dukke v
Hey nutlicker, you asked what point he was trying to prove....
quote:in the title
1991 Washington Redskins is the best pro football team of all-time
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