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re: Why do so many not have flood insurance?

Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:12 am to
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:12 am to
Floods happen more often then plane crashes. Just saying.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27722 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:14 am to
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LSURussian


I have been thru Katrina. Do you really think I would make fun of people that didn't have flood insurance? Trying to make a point that people need to purchase it if you have a home in SE LA. Now if you have your home raised, a camp, highrise buidling, etc., probably not. I wasn't referring to those situations.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6141 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:17 am to
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Flood insurance is not that expensive and it's worth every penny that you pay into it


That's my view. Most of these homes could have been insured for less than $300 per year. That's not much even for people with limited income.

I think growing up with ships passing along the river that were above where I was standing (also a flood zone X) gives a different perspective of the absurdity of flood zones.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:42 am to
I don't because my house sits up on top of a small hill. A flood could theoretically reach it, but I'm willing to take the risk that it won't. It would take a LOT of rain for it to get that high.
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 8:49 am to
if you own a house in one of the heavy hit areas, and your home did not flood and did not ever really come in danger of flooding, does that force you to immediately get flood insurance? or does that just reaffirm that you do not need flood insurance?

to me, if your home didn't flood during this unprecedented event, it would just reinforce the idea that one didn't need flood insurance

Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
26579 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 9:00 am to
I guess I don't understand what the point of this thread is. Those people I'm sure wish they had flood insurance now. Like other things, it cost money and wasn't required, so people didn't think about it.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 9:59 am to
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Like other things, it cost money and wasn't required, so people didn't think about it.


As a marketing/sales person, I think there's some issue with the branding of the flood zone vs. non-flood zones. Obviously can't fix anything going on now, but people incorrectly assume that a house not in a flood zone is exempt from flooding.
Posted by swanny297
NELA
Member since Oct 2013
2189 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 11:17 am to
No one cpuld have ever predicted that 2ft of rain will fall in 24hrs either - asking why people didnt have flood insurance is kind of like asking why they didnt design run off and drainage systems to handle this kind of event. I live in North La and areas around me flooded in March that have never historically flooded due to rain fall. There were lots of homes that were lost where I am sure the cost of flood insurance would have been pocket change.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
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37106 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:09 pm to
I think you can put people in two categories:

1) Those who are in a flood zone, so it is expensive, but they either don't own their house, or own without a mortgage, so it's not "required".

2) Those who are in the X flood zone. The marketplace/FEMA/NFIP needs to try to get rid of the term "not a flood zone". Everywhere can flood. The X zone just means the chance of a flood is less than 1 percent in any given year. It's not a zero chance.

A big part of the problem that I don't see many people talking about, and could help both groups, would be for NFIP to accept installment payments. Right now, you HAVE to pay flood insurance on an annual installment. For a government-backed program, this is insane.

Allowing monthly or even quarterly payments, I'm willing to bet, would cause more people to purchase it.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:11 pm to
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A big part of the problem that I don't see many people talking about, and could help both groups, would be for NFIP to accept installment payments. Right now, you HAVE to pay flood insurance on an annual installment. For a government-backed program, this is insane.

Allowing monthly or even quarterly payments, I'm willing to bet, would cause more people to purchase it.



Could just be added to the escrow. Like traditional homeowners.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27722 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:13 pm to
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No one cpuld have ever predicted that 2ft of rain will fall in 24hrs either - asking why people didnt have flood insurance is kind of like asking why they didnt design run off and drainage systems to handle this kind of event. I live in North La and areas around me flooded in March that have never historically flooded due to rain fall. There were lots of homes that were lost where I am sure the cost of flood insurance would have been pocket change.


My point to this thread is that I have spoken to people that don't have it and they just stated that 1, they don't live in a flood zone and 2, they didn't want to spend $400 a year on it. So I understand if you don't live in a flood zone, but I don't get it where people say they just don't want to spend $400 on it. That was my point in the thread.

This is a money board so I am not here to rub it in people's faces. More of a learning moment. If there is a possibility of you flooding, even remotely, then I would buy it for peace of mind.

I hear all the arguments, you should carry more life insurance if you fly because you fly in a plane that could crash, we have never flooded before so we won't now. I have no reason to buy it yet I do. Not an OT baller by any stretch. I think people don't prioritize things when it comes to insurance and finance and just wonder why with all that has happened within the last 11 years alone locally. I get it you can't cover every single possibility but it rains quite a bit and unless you are way high on top of a hill or sky rise building, you should have it.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 12:20 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37106 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:14 pm to
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Could just be added to the escrow. Like traditional homeowners.


When we owned in Katy, we were in an X zone. As we were going through the closing process I asked the mortgage company about including flood insurance in escrow, and I was told that they would not do that since flood insurance was not "required". So we just had to write a check each year for it.

It might take a legislative action for that to happen, which in a place like South Louisiana, I would absolutely support.

But that only works if you are in an escrow situation. Tons of people own houses and don't have escrow (either have enough LTV or own outright) and this does nothing for renter's flood insurance.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37106 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:17 pm to
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1, they don't live in a flood zone and 2, they didn't want to spend $400 a year on it. So I understand if you don't live in a flood zone, but I don't get it where people say they just don't want to spend $400 on it.


How many people would have car insurance if it was not required?

With flood insurance, it's just a cost that some people either cannot afford or do not think they need.

I can't speak for the BR flooding, but look at the 9th ward in Katrina. Tons of people did not have flood insurance. They probably could not afford it (or maybe could not structure their other spending to prioritize it). They lived in houses owned by family for years with no clear title - houses owned outright.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:22 pm to
they would rather have the complete sports package (including NFL red zone) and all the college ball there is, and both HBO and Showtime from cable.

same price.

Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27722 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:26 pm to
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How many people would have car insurance if it was not required?


But that is the thing it is required. Auto insurance and flood are not comparable. Plus you already have a ton not carrying it yet the cops let them drive off if they don't have it. Car should be towed and then the person fined.

I understand people can't afford it. Again, and this is obviously a small percentage, but the few I have spoke to basically said that they would rather blow the money on something else instead of paying. Yet if they flooded they would be screaming about it. I guess I am old school and just want peace of mind, that's all.

I see people have downvoted but just trying to figure out why people don't make this more of a priority. I get it if it was expensive or if you cannot afford it. The people I have spoken to probably blow this in a few weekends going out to eat.
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37106 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:30 pm to
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But that is the thing it is required.


That's exactly my point. Imagine if car insurance wasn't required, how many people would rather blow the money on other stuff each month?

We live in a society that encourages immediate gratification. Insurance is the opposite of that.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15046 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:31 pm to
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people incorrectly assume that a house not in a flood zone is exempt from flooding.

I think this has a lot to do with it. And I think realtors (for example) push this when selling a house - look, this one is out of the flood zone!

Anyway I think this is a conversation better held in a month or so.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
27722 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:34 pm to
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We live in a society that encourages immediate gratification. Insurance is the opposite of that.


I agree. I just scratch my head sometimes at people. I guess they do the same at me.

I have beaten this to death and don't want to seem like a mean person, so I am out.
Posted by swanny297
NELA
Member since Oct 2013
2189 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 4:33 pm to
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But that is the thing it is required. Auto insurance and flood are not comparable
How many people with paid for vehicles pay for max coverage in the event in their lifetime they are in an accident where they are at fault and sued for everything they have? My guess is not many people put that thought into automobile insurance where the chances of it happening are the same and the possible outcome of loosing everything you own is a real possibility. Similar thought process when you live no where a water source prone to flooding and aren't required to carry flood insurance.
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
38550 posts
Posted on 8/18/16 at 5:46 pm to
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if you own a house in one of the heavy hit areas, and your home did not flood and did not ever really come in danger of flooding, does that force you to immediately get flood insurance? or does that just reaffirm that you do not need flood insurance?



For me, it forced me to immediately get flood insurance, as in today (effective 30 days from now). I literally piss $450.00 away on crap ... why not piss $450.00 on my largest asset instead?

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