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re: Using a job offer to get a raise at your current job: Advice?
Posted on 7/18/14 at 5:04 pm to King of New Orleans
Posted on 7/18/14 at 5:04 pm to King of New Orleans
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I could just use a little more money
Then simply ask for a raise. If an employee came to me with your scenario he'd no longer be an employee.
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Posted on 7/18/14 at 5:15 pm to King of New Orleans
I've had several employees come to me with your situation, telling me they have a job offer paying more. Every time I've said, "You should take it. We'll miss you."
The ones who came back to me and said they wanted to stay I just told them "Sorry, we've moved on and you should, too."
The ones who came back to me and said they wanted to stay I just told them "Sorry, we've moved on and you should, too."
Posted on 7/19/14 at 8:40 pm to idlewatcher
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Agreed. They had a radio segment on the other day talking about the "professional company man" and that you are destined to be underpaid by sticking with the same company for several years and that research (not sure whose) has shown that changing companies (or industries) every 2-3 years positions you to optimize your pay. I can see how that would work quite clearly being in the O&G biz.
I worked for the same company for 8 years after college, I was getting hosed on pay when I left, just the way it goes.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 9:38 pm to LSURussian
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Posted by LSURussian I've had several employees come to me with your situation, telling me they have a job offer paying more. Every time I've said, "You should take it. We'll miss you." The ones who came back to me and said they wanted to stay I just told them "Sorry, we've moved on and you should, too."
Seems like a dick move
I've made a few moves and once or twice I really did want to stay put but I also knew I couldn't pass up the pay increase being offered. However each time I had prepared myself to leave if the current employer didn't want to match. I was never once told to pack my shite.
I assume it varies depending on the job and the industry but in my industry it's not uncommon at all for guys to use leverage and the managers know it. They also know that good help is hard to find and expensive to keep so they don't seem to mind that it happens.
The radio guy was definitely right. Some of the best employees that had been there the longest were the most underpaid by a lot.
Posted on 7/19/14 at 11:27 pm to King of New Orleans
Which industry?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:37 am to Paul Allen
I agree with others about not bringing up the other job. In sales, I think you would be better asking for bonus incentives or a bigger commission for bringing in new clients. Then your company knows that it would be beneficial for both. Good luck
Posted on 7/20/14 at 7:51 am to King of New Orleans
quote:The fact that you have to resort to using the threat of leaving in order to get a raise should tell you something about your current employer. You unwittingly answered your own question at the moment you asked the question.
Using a job offer to get a raise at your current job: Advice?
Posted on 7/20/14 at 9:26 am to King of New Orleans
Why not just approach your boss about a base raise, or ask if there's anything more you could be doing to earn a base raise. Will probably get much further showing initiative and commitment rather than let him know you're looking around. If you're valuable to him, he'll do what he can to keep you happy.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 11:58 am to VABuckeye
If you really don't want to leave, forget about that other job. Just ask for a raise. Your current employer certainly can't begrudge you for trying.
Doesn't sound like the difference in money is significant enough to make up for leaving a job that you already like. It's hard enough finding a job that you like going to every morning. Can't measure job satisfaction in dollars and cents.
Ask yourself what is that extra money going to get you that you don't already have.
Doesn't sound like the difference in money is significant enough to make up for leaving a job that you already like. It's hard enough finding a job that you like going to every morning. Can't measure job satisfaction in dollars and cents.
Ask yourself what is that extra money going to get you that you don't already have.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 12:59 pm to Croacka
quote:And it's not a dick move to use another job offer as leverage to get a raise?? That's the real dick move.
Seems like a dick move
If word gets out and other employees see that all they have to do to get a raise is go find someone to offer them a job which makes the company give them out of cycle raises, you might as well throw out your salary administration structure and just rely on other companies to set your salaries for your employees.
I always had enough confidence we were paying a fair salary to not be blackmailed into giving out raises just because of the OP's situation.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:12 pm to LSURussian
It's not just getting an offer for more money. It's getting one for the exact same position with a 10-15% pay increase.
If that's the case, then your salary administration structure isn't in line.
If that's the case, then your salary administration structure isn't in line.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 2:19 pm to Golfer
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If that's the case, then your salary administration structure isn't in line.
Or the other company is overpaying.
Posted on 7/20/14 at 8:32 pm to King of New Orleans
depends on your company - Any employee that tells me they are looking at another job- I just tell them to do what is right for them.
I have never done that to an employer. IMO an employer should take good care of you and not wait until they think you are leaving to give you a raise.
Think about it
I have never done that to an employer. IMO an employer should take good care of you and not wait until they think you are leaving to give you a raise.
Think about it
Posted on 7/20/14 at 8:37 pm to LSURussian
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If word gets out and other employees see that all they have to do to get a raise is go find someone to offer them a job which makes the company give them out of cycle raises, you might as well throw out your salary administration structure and just rely on other companies to set your salaries for your employees.
Lmao, must not be in engineering. In my line of work that's exactly how you get raises.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:45 am to LSURussian
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I've had several employees come to me with your situation, telling me they have a job offer paying more. Every time I've said, "You should take it. We'll miss you."
The ones who came back to me and said they wanted to stay I just told them "Sorry, we've moved on and you should, too."
Really? It seems to me like you would want your employees to come to you with that kind of information. It seems more respectful to you for them to say, "Hey look I love working here, but XYZ is beating down my door and offering $xx. Would you be willing to bump me up closer to that?"
Posted on 7/22/14 at 10:56 am to ConfusedHawgInMO
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Really? It seems to me like you would want your employees to come to you with that kind of information. It seems more respectful to you for them to say, "Hey look I love working here, but XYZ is beating down my door and offering $xx. Would you be willing to bump me up closer to that?"
Right, the other option is the employee giving his two weeks' notice and walking out. Is that better? I guess if you're determined to set the bottom the pay scale it doesn't matter to you either way.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:04 pm to ConfusedHawgInMO
Yes, really.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:13 pm to LSURussian
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Yes, really.
Is it your company or do you work for someone?
Posted on 7/22/14 at 12:22 pm to barry
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I worked for the same company for 8 years after college, I was getting hosed on pay when I left, just the way it goes.
My point exactly man. I have a friend who works for BP (12 years in, led three different divisions over her career) and she was privy to the "market pay" for the job after she accepted the job and was $40 underpaid. Hence, she is looking for a different gig
When companies can't find someone to fill a void, they look outside of their company and when that happens, they will have to pay to peel someone from another company which increases the overall pay for similar positions because a standard has been set.
My brother works for an oil and gas recruiting company and those guys are the sharks b/c they are playing the company against other candidates against their primary candidate - all for a quick buck.
Posted on 7/22/14 at 3:15 pm to idlewatcher
I've worked for the same company for 22 years. I think 3 times I've had legit offers that I was ready to take based only on the money offered. I went to my CEO and told him the situation and he always sweetened the pot enough that it wasn't worth it to move, start over, etc. If I cut the checks I'd want my people to give me that same courtesy.
This post was edited on 7/22/14 at 3:44 pm
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