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Soybean Field land Rental $$?

Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:42 pm
Posted by greenhead11
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 9:42 pm
Does anyone know approximately what the going rate is per acre to lease farmland to a soybean farmer? Just found out old folks inherited a small piece of land, I'm pretty sure famer Dave is getting a pretty sweet deal...

Just throw a ballpark idea
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:03 pm to
It can vary wildly depending on the location.

What's the locale?

ETA: Is it a cash rent or portion of crops?
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 10:04 pm
Posted by Geaux Smoke
Aspen, California
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:13 pm to
How much land and where? 2500-3500 / acre where I'm from. Cenla btw

Do cash only. LOTS of variables with soybeans, as with any crop really
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 10:15 pm
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:33 pm to
It's like 10 acres in the pan handle of florida somewhere outside P cola. we've been leasing to him for like 40 years and probably haven't changed anything. No one has thought to pay any attention to it till they realized that property tax was almost equaling the cash flow from leasing the land.

I realize property value could be drastically different but I think I've got a start. I think the family' is leasing the land straight up for cash for like 3k with no share in the profits- which I thought sounded a little low.

I'm not at all familiar with this, can gain sharing be a better option? Or do farmers not like that and run off?
Posted by reb13
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:37 pm to
You should put a couple cows on it to lower your property tax.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

I'm not at all familiar with this, can gain sharing be a better option? Or do farmers not like that and run off?



That is also regional, but most farmers would rather do a percentage of the crop as it is a little less risk to them.

The rate is stupid low, but the problem is the amount of land you own. Most farmers wouldn't farm 10 acres if you gave it to them for no rent at all.
Posted by UncleJEAUX
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 10:47 pm to
I do this for a living.

Depends a lot on the quality of the land and whether or not it is irrigated. Find out what farmer Dave's avg. yield is (how many bushels he is harvesting),and figure 20% to 25% of it times current mkt. price. (currently $13.50/bushel).

Low 30 bu. X 25% = 7.5 bu. X $13.50 = $101.25/acre

High 50 bu. X 25% = 12.5 bu. X 13.50 = $168.75/acre

Remember farming is volitale (think weather), and the price changes daily. You would be better off renting to a responsible farmer that will take care of your land for a little less money than someone paying top dollar rent who is just mining the land.
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:01 pm to
I sure appreciate the response!!!

So I was following your calculations but got confused- is that if we decide to gain share? Or is that how you'd go about determining a reasonable cost per acre to lease?

quote:

You would be better off renting to a responsible farmer that will take care of your land for a little less money than someone paying top dollar rent who is just mining the land.

I would venture to say that's why we've stuck with this guy.

I have now also been tasked with determining if growing timber would be more profitable on the land? Just bc I work in finance I guess the family feels inclined to dump this project on me. Next thing I know my arse is gonna be out planting trees bc I'm the most physically fit guy in the family.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 11:06 pm
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:03 pm to
I didn't know 10 acres was so little. I guess it's a hassle to move equipment and all that.

Makes sense about the percentage. Helps hedge risks.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:19 pm to
quote:

I didn't know 10 acres was so little. I guess it's a hassle to move equipment and all that.



Yeah. It depends on the crop, but 10 is way too small for anyone to pick up for farming, unless they are already farming next door (and even at that, I don't know if it would be worth it).

The problem is: You have to take time to segment off both costs and production. An average rice farmer farms around 500-1000 acres where I am from. that's 50-100 10 acre plots. If you move up to wheat, it's nothing to have 2000-3000 acres. I would imagine that they wouldn't want to deal with anything less than a couple hundred acres.

A lot smaller lot is acceptable with cash rent instead of percentage of crops because you don't have to keep track of everything, but it's probably not worth someone moving their equipment any significant distance for 10 acres. It would take less than an hour to harvest, and would probably kill a couple of hours in transfer time during harvest if moving more than 3-4 miles.

ETA: Soybeans are more like wheat in the amount of effort it takes, so it's more reasonable to use them for a reference group.

ETA 2: I agree with the other guy. 20% of crops is standard in SWLA rice farming.
This post was edited on 4/23/12 at 11:27 pm
Posted by gonads&strife
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/23/12 at 11:32 pm to
quote:

It's like 10 acres in the pan handle of florida somewhere outside P cola. we've been leasing to him for like 40 years and probably haven't changed anything. No one has thought to pay any attention to it till they realized that property tax was almost equaling the cash flow from leasing the land.


I'd look into selling to the farmer. 10 AC is just too small to have any value other than for development or flip.
Posted by LSU0358
Member since Jan 2005
7918 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 9:42 am to
Very location dependent but I've heard 15-25% of the crop off of that acreage.

Ignore the above advice, I just read it's 10 acres. Probably would be difficult to get a percentage with that small of an amount. I'd try and sale unless there are some mineral rights involved.
This post was edited on 4/24/12 at 9:48 am
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36709 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 9:57 am to
No way my husband would ever pick up just 10 acres unless it butted RIGHT up to a field that he already farms.

And I ** think ** that he works an 80/20 deal or 75/25 if there are other things like landowner paying for well/pump repairs or has a set of bins that we "rent".

About to plant beans here ... and I'm praying that the weather cooperates.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 10:06 am to
quote:

tiger91


I figured you would show up in this thread. Glad someone else with real life experience is here to back me up.

quote:

And I ** think ** that he works an 80/20 deal or 75/25 if there are other things like landowner paying for well/pump repairs or has a set of bins that we "rent".


Agreed. The only time my dad ever did anything about 80/20 was when the land owner supplied the water and half of the fertilizer.

quote:

About to plant beans here ... and I'm praying that the weather cooperates.


Is it that time of year already?
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
922 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 8:14 pm to
quote:

No way my husband would ever pick up just 10 acres unless it butted RIGHT up to a field that he already farms.


Hmm. Yea I had no idea that those small plots aren't even worth fooling with. So I found out the official numbers today, our share is 3 acres, and we are charging $260 per year.

So I don't know what to make of this. Would it be potentially better for us to just grow timber? (and I'm acting like that's an easy thing to do- which it won't be)
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
36709 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 8:48 pm to
quote:

Is it that time of year already?


Sadly, yes. He planted nearly 1100 acres of rice ... woe is the farmer's wife with a million $ loan. UGH. At least he can take off when he has a "free" day and go fishing like he did today. That is one perk of the job!

Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/24/12 at 8:49 pm to
greenhead, no clue ... I'm just the farmer's wife who makes sandwiches during harvest! I truly try to stay away from the decision making processes ... I know MORE than I WANT to know.

He starts talking finances, and I walk away!

Good luck!
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

Hmm. Yea I had no idea that those small plots aren't even worth fooling with. So I found out the official numbers today, our share is 3 acres, and we are charging $260 per year.



With all due respect, I 'd at that.

3 acres is a nice lot in the city, not even near timber land. you could probably get 20 trees on that.

Try to see if you can get a decent sales price and just sell the land. Not even close to worth the headache.
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
922 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 9:36 pm to
Ok ha that just goes to show how clueless I am. It's an f'ed upon situation. Land was passed down with the promise to never sell. Each kid has a stake (3acres) etc and I don't feel like communicating with family to plant timber or change anything. whatever, I'm not gonna worry myself with it. Farmer Dave is just gonna keep on getting a good deal.
Posted by greenhead11
Member since Feb 2012
922 posts
Posted on 4/24/12 at 9:40 pm to
quote:

just the farmer's wife who makes sandwiches during harvest! I truly try to stay away from the decision making processes


Good support!

quote:

He starts talking finances, and I walk away!


That's probably the easier way to go about. Reminds me of how my gf and I address issues like that. Saves stress
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