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re: Real Estate Investing......... New update pg 7

Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:40 am to
Posted by Delacroix
Member since Oct 2008
3985 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 8:40 am to
Congrats man thats a great ROI

Are you going to manage the property yourself or hire a property manager?
This post was edited on 3/23/15 at 8:42 am
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 9:01 am to
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Are you going to manage the property yourself or hire a property manager?


I am going to manage it to start things off. This REI is a complete side project and I have a full time job that keeps me pretty busy. Once we get down the road and acquire more properties, hiring someone may be needed but I can do it myself for now. I can't justify paying someone 10% unless I do it myself for a while to see how much work will be involved. Our goal is to have Air Force families as tenants in this area and hopefully they will not be high maintenance.
Posted by good_2_geaux
Member since Feb 2015
740 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:28 pm to
Just wondering, what are your plans for this monthly excess cash flow (1300 - 710 = $590)?
do you plan on putting toward your loan principal, saving for repairs, allocate towards another property, etc?

congrats btw

Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 3/23/15 at 7:56 pm to
He should be saving most of that for expenses (vacancy, capital expenses, repairs, taxes, ins, etc).

Conservatively using some quick rule of thumbs based on what he stated he could pay himself about $100 a month.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 8:09 am to
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Just wondering, what are your plans for this monthly excess cash flow (1300 - 710 = $590)?


Our plan is to let it build up in our account for repairs/maintenance. We have plenty of capital on hand if something major comes up but don't want to dip into it. I am not going to pay out any money to myself or my dad for the first few years. We are planning on paying either one or two extra payment on the mortgage a year to help pay off in 12-13 years instead of 15.

Our main goal is to have about 10 properties in the next 2-3 years similiar to the first one. In 15 years, hopefully all paid off, I will have 18 and 15 year old girls and I will need all the extra income I can get.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6180 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:01 am to
How does one begin the process of becoming a real estate investor/landlord? What are some good reference books to read to learn about the process?

Someone commented you don't find investment deals on the mls. Where do you look for them?
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:18 am to
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How does one begin the process of becoming a real estate investor/landlord?


I began reading Biggerpockets.com and got interested. Went to Barnes and Noble and bought a $20 book and did more research online. That is how I got started.

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Someone commented you don't find investment deals on the mls. Where do you look for them?


Through Biggerpockets, I met a guy who does REI on the side but has his license. I told him what I was interested in and he got to work. He does use MLS but knows exactly what we are looking for and our price points are. He is my age but has definitely been like a mentor to me, as he knows the market very well and can give me buying/renting/pricing information off the top of his head. I have also joined a local REI club that meets once a month to discuss the marktet and other investors successes/failures.

I am very green in real estate investing and there are plenty of people on here more knowledgeable than me but there is a ton of cheap readily available information out there if you look.
Posted by yellowhammer2098
New Orleans, LA
Member since Mar 2013
3850 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:22 am to
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Someone commented you don't find investment deals on the mls. Where do you look for them?


You can find them by knowing realtors. If a realtor knows you have cash on hand and you're looking to buy they'll come to you before going through the hassle of listing/marketing a property. Their commission will be much quicker and only slightly less if they sell you the property in a cash sale for $100,000 instead of marketing and taking the time to find a traditional buyer who is willing to get a mortgage and pay $120,000. The difference assuming a 3% commission is only $600 (before anything gets taken out for the realtor company) and they can move on to another property/another commission.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37694 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 11:32 am to
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stevengtiger


Nice job.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 12:27 pm to
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Nice job


Just trying to be like you man. Appreciate it!
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37694 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 2:37 pm to
Just make sure to keep adequate reserves for vacancy, capital expenditures and routine maintenance.

Also, I can't stress enough how important tenant selection is. My main criteria is gross income must be 3 times rent, good references and a deposit equal to two months rent. That last part is totally a personal preference. May not work in your market. Don't waver on the other two....
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:35 pm to
I am very close to the same situation as you. We are buying our 3rd property right now.

1st is my house at LSU. 4br/4ba bought freshman year and rented 2 rooms to cash flow mortgage. It's a break-even deal cash wise. But my brother and I live for free so it's a net positive of ~$1200/month. Will likely never sell. primary res. mortgage in my name

2nd was my grandfathers home. Brother, dad, and I bought it from the estate and put $10k into it. Rented for a year to cover mortgage payments. Even flow. Have a first right offer to the current tenant to buy for $25k below appraisal before we list it. She's got 15 days. If she accepts we should net $60 on the sale, if not and we list it we could get $75-90. primary res. mortgage in my bro's name.

We ran out of primary resident mortgages so we are stepping things up a notch.

3rd we are under contract for is 1 block from campus on Highland (good side). This is where we are getting formal. Just formed the LLC, and are under review for a line (looking like $800k) to start turning this into something real. We need to put about $50-100k into this one, but our purchase price would make you wet in this location. College Town/Highland Rd.
This post was edited on 3/24/15 at 3:38 pm
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:38 pm to
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Also, I can't stress enough how important tenant selection is


Our target tenant will be Air Force personel and I be using myrental.com to screen applicants. I haven't used it yet but it has come highly recommended to me from other RE investors I have met with.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:41 pm to
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3rd we are under contract for is 1 block from campus on Highland (good side). This is where we are getting formal. Just formed the LLC, and are under review for a line (looking like $800k) to start turning this into something real. We need to put about $50-100k into this one, but our purchase price would make you wet in this location. College Town/Highland Rd.


I wish we had kept our places in BR. My dad bought a house and a town house in Lake Beau Pre in 2004-5 right when they were being built. My sister and I lived for free and roomates paid the note. He made $50K on the house and $40K on the townhouse 5 years later. Looking back, I would love to still have them. They would both be paid off by now.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
19419 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:45 pm to
Yeah, we may flip the 3rd one just because of the market. But I'd much rather hold onto it. Anything within LSU commute distance is literally money.

The one we live in now was bought in 2005. Current appraisal is astronomical % over purchase. And every month the room mates pay the note our potential Net ROI rises that much.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/24/15 at 3:52 pm to
Good luck with ya'lls LLC stuff and the new project. We are looking at a rehab house or two as well but that much work just scares me. I just don't have the eyes that can see the finished product yet. Hopefully, after we do our remodel work on our first property, it will help me see what can be.
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6180 posts
Posted on 3/25/15 at 10:33 am to
I’ve always been intrigued by real estate investing, specifically buying houses and letting the rent pay the note until paid off then hold and collect profit after that. I’ve never put much deep thought into it until recently when my wife and I discussed it and came to the conclusion that we were both interested in this type of investment.

I read a few articles and the free starter guide on biggerpockets.com and I think that my niche and strategy would be single family/small multi-family buy and hold. I’d like to start off slow then build to 10-15 properties and have my wife eventually act as property manager. All income for the first several years would be reinvested. Overall goal would be to have them paid off in 10-15 years then collect rent thereafter as part of my early retirement plan and maybe pay for my kids’ education. I can do some intermediate to advanced (non-specialized) handy work and am not scared to get dirty.

Currently, I don’t have much in the way of liquid assets for a down payment but I do have a decent HELOC that I can pull from for cash.

I have a few questions (generally speaking and based off of what I’ve read recently…):
· How does one go about finding properties that will produce a positive cash flow? (ie: where to look other than real estate and mls websites)
· How do you move from owning one to multiple properties? Say I use the HELOC for down payment on #1, what threshold do I need to surpass on property #1 to move on to property #2, and so on?
· What’s a reasonable timeline to move from one to more properties? (to be used in setting up my overall goals)
· What are some reference books that I should be reading to get started?
(Might be some repeat questions from above, was typing this off the top of my head)

Note: I also have an unlimited resource for legal advice on this subject.

I know these are very general questions and a lot depends on the actual market and properties available, but any advice or comments are greatly appreciated.
Posted by 100851
Member since Jan 2015
107 posts
Posted on 3/25/15 at 3:40 pm to
Can some of you experienced guys chime in about tax liability and the income you are generating.

I read once (years ago, I forget the exact details) that its sometimes better to put the monthly cash into the loan on the property, and then refinance the loan every few years and take out the equity. Maybe this had something to do with capital gains tax versus income tax?

Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33852 posts
Posted on 3/25/15 at 4:15 pm to
I can't remember the name of the office, but BAFB has a program that you can enroll in that will find tenants for you. If someone moves out then they've got a list of other people to take their place. If they wreck the house then BAFB will pay and pursue the tenants themselves. That was about ten years ago though.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/25/15 at 4:26 pm to
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BAFB has a program that you can enroll in that will find tenants for you


I will have to look into that for sure. Right now I am planning to use AHRN.com and sign in the yard.

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If they wreck the house then BAFB will pay and pursue the tenants themselves


That is a landlord's dream right there imo.
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