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Poodlebrain...Thoughts on the legislative tax acts?

Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 1:10 pm
From what I can tell, the changes to the inventory tax credit are going to sting a lot of businesses and capping the movie tax credits on the back end is going to create a huge mess. It sounds like you're going to have people buying credits and they'll have no way of knowing until filing whether or not they can be used.

Also not really a fan of doing this mid year, now you've got people rushing to file so they're not playing by a different set of rules vs. the people/businesses that have already filed. They've somewhat addressed that, but you'll have to spread your credit out over a 3 year period to recoup your money.
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
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Posted on 6/22/15 at 2:31 pm to
Not to mention the clusterfudge formerly known as solar credits.
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
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11987 posts
Posted on 6/22/15 at 4:43 pm to
What is the latest on the solar credits?
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
6545 posts
Posted on 6/23/15 at 10:40 am to
Legislative vote to make the credit effective in the year the taxpayer files...not the year the panels are installed. Example: You install solar based upon the credits available today. You file taxes in 2016 for tax year 2015. Credits in year 2015 were 50%. Credits in year 2016 are 30%. You only get a 30% credit.

Sorry if that was roundabout. It's so Louisiana that it's difficult to type a sane explanation.
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6139 posts
Posted on 6/23/15 at 1:29 pm to
My opinion is it has caused a shite ton of work for me this week and next.
Posted by Jabstep
Member since Jul 2014
2130 posts
Posted on 6/23/15 at 1:39 pm to
Just waiting for the right opportunity and I'm out. This + ACA has made the job of tax preparing a miserable one.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 6/23/15 at 2:55 pm to
The legislature just tinkered at the margins. They didn't want to greatly offend any single interest group so they made small cuts to several interest groups in the hopes they would not react too harshly and jeopardize the political careers of the legislators. They did nothing to ease anyone's administrative burden, if anything they increased the them.

I don't have a problem with the limitations they put on using prior year net operating losses to reduce current taxable income, nor do I have a problem with making certain credits nonrefundable. The tax benefits are not permanently lost they are just deferred.

One industry that will benefit from the changes is tax advisors.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37025 posts
Posted on 6/23/15 at 3:40 pm to
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I don't have a problem with the limitations they put on using prior year net operating losses to reduce current taxable income, nor do I have a problem with making certain credits nonrefundable. The tax benefits are not permanently lost they are just deferred.


I agree with this generally, and as a tax advisor, I'm generally agnostic about tax laws. Tell me what the rules and regs are, and I'll find a way to use them to my client's advantage.

The only two things I really take issue with are 1) the 7/1 adoption date as I have a fair number of clients that wait on K-1s and really can't file before September, and I have my doubts as to whether LDR can handle these returns and 2) the film credits redemption issues, which hopefully will be fixed via regulation.

As far as them chopping off a bunch of credits and deductions, eh.

quote:

One industry that will benefit from the changes is tax advisors


Indeed... provided we can keep enough advisors around to do the work. Changes like what LA just did, just means less and less people are qualified to prepare their own tax returns.
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
23056 posts
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:23 pm to
did you get your CPA? I remember a couple of years ago you were looking into accounting internships. if so congrats
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6139 posts
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:30 pm to
quote:

The only two things I really take issue with are 1) the 7/1 adoption date as I have a fair number of clients that wait on K-1s and really can't file before September,


Same here. Returns that generally would have been completed over the next 3 months have all been rushed to meet the 7/1 adoption.

Posted by Reubaltaich
A nation under duress
Member since Jun 2006
4962 posts
Posted on 6/23/15 at 6:47 pm to
quote:

From what I can tell, the changes to the inventory tax credit are going to sting a lot of businesses


I mentioned this to our boss and he was like 'wut??'.

We are pretty inventory intense, with several millions of $$ on the premises.

What effect is this going to have on businesses, what is the % rate going to be? Are there any exemptions?

I know our CPA is on it now(I hope )
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158752 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 11:48 am to
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2) the film credits redemption issues, which hopefully will be fixed via regulation.


due to the uncertainty around them, guessing its just best to have people just buy the historic credits.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37025 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

due to the uncertainty around them, guessing its just best to have people just buy the historic credits.


Yes, we have started doing that. But we have a bunch of clients who already bought film credits in anticipation of using them with their extended return.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158752 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 2:32 pm to
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But we have a bunch of clients who already bought film credits in anticipation of using them with their extended return.


hello lawsuits
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37025 posts
Posted on 6/24/15 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

hello lawsuits


Oh... I know... what will happen if all this stuff gets thrown out by the courts?

Makes tax compliance and planning so much fun... let me tell you....
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 6/25/15 at 8:51 am to
I don't think the changes make projecting future tax liabilities that much more difficult. They do make it tougher to figure out how much cash will be required to pay the taxes though. The changes do provide an opportunity for assisting clients in timing their purchases on transferrable credits. While the unused credits will carryover from one year to the next, the time value of the money spent on them is decreasing. So there is value to optimizing the purchases to avoid undesirable carryover.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158752 posts
Posted on 6/25/15 at 9:42 am to
there was a rep at one of the film credit agencies telling us that one of the changes was going to be had you had to buy the credits within the tax year you're going to use them. I haven't seen that anywhere else though, plus that would be pretty unreasonable given how you're going about enforcing this cap.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:00 am to
quote:

there was a rep at one of the film credit agencies
I don't have a high degree of confidence in the integrity or ethics of such people. So I would have a healthy dose of skepticism for anything one of them might claim.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37025 posts
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:37 am to
Agree, but I wonder how this will work? If you buy credits thinking you will use them, then turn them in, then the state denies them because the credit is reached, then what?

Until LDR issues some guidance on how this will work, I'd just stay away from buying film credits.

What the state should have done is just swallow the bullet on the already issued credits, and limit issuance of the new credits to 180 million a year. It would have taken a couple of years for the inventory of "old" credits to be used up, but after that, we would have a pretty logical system in place. However, that doesn't help next year's budget any... so this is the system we get.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37025 posts
Posted on 6/25/15 at 10:39 am to
Also, outside of the film credit issues, if some of the deduction cuts and the mid-year forcing of changes gets tossed by the courts (based on this unresolved thing regarding a majority vs 2/3 vote required), then planning might get interesting.

Planning for tax year 2015 and beyond won't be too difficult outside of the film credits... it's the interim that will struggle.
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