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re: Oil Wars: Why OPEC Will Win

Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:57 pm to
Posted by cave canem
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:57 pm to
It is almost Roy D. Merceresque. Is that you Roy?
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:58 pm to
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It's the small guys is mega debt that will more than likely get naught up by the big guys.



That's actually the goal. They're not trying to wipe out fracking, just clean it up and out and cut the supply.
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:59 pm to
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And those $/bbl break evens are based off the sweet spots....

True, but then I would have had to explain it, with a link, and hard numbers. And explaining how shale deposits are front loaded would really confuse him as opposed to conventional. Let alone the ratio of successful drills between the two. Try and keep up.
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:01 pm to
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So the majority of the Us is more than ok.

Wow, that is what you took from that graph? It was published in Oct '14 (that means 2014) by Bloomberg.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:02 pm to
Lol.

Yea nothing like a picture with no links or year data.
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:02 pm to
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Wow, that is what you took from that graph


Don't think he saw that line was at $80 per barrel.
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:04 pm to
So we've come to the conclusion that the Saudi's and the U.S. will come out ok in the end. However the Assad regime, Russia, and the Iranian nuclear program will be severely hurt... Who's thinking the U.S. and Saudi's conspired this oil price shock?
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:05 pm to
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Don't think he saw that line was at $80 per barrel.


Saudi needs over $80 for their budget.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:08 pm to
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Who's thinking the U.S. and Saudi's conspired this oil price shock?


Everything is possible!
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:18 pm to
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Everything is possible!


Especially when you edit your statements every time you are made a fool. Looking back through this thread and counting your eraser marks is quite the task.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:21 pm to
Lol I haven't erased anything. I have added too.

Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:25 pm to
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Who's thinking the U.S. and Saudi's conspired this oil price shock?

It has crossed my mind. It wouldn't be the first time Saudi has colluded with oil production for a political purpose.
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the Saudi's and the U.S. will come out ok in the end.

Yeah, but we will hurt more than they will. The smaller guys and a lot of service companies won't make it I'm afraid.
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However the Assad regime, Russia, and the Iranian nuclear program will be severely hurt.

Quite possible. That whole region is pretty hard to predict. Hopefully they don't lash out and attack before they go broke.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:34 pm to
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Saudi needs over $80 for their budget.


This is oversimplified. Saudis could still support their entire budget on oil sales alone at a lower price per barrel if they increase market share.

They also have $1 trillion in cash reserves to draw upon for this very reason. They would not have to completely cover their budget from oil sales for years to come.

All of this also assumes that the Saudi people will automatically revolt if the budget is cut at all which is not the case.
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7612 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:41 pm to
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Saudi needs over $80 for their budget

Think of it as we both worked at the same company and made the exact same amount. And our company just out of the blue made everyone take a 50% pay cut. You are mortgaged to the hilt and have a lot of outstanding credit. I have about 5 times my annual salary in savings.

You will have to quit. I can weather the storm for a while.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:41 pm to
You also assume other world players will just take the arse raping.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:46 pm to
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You also assume other world players will just take the arse raping.


Not much they can do economically speaking.

You may see Iran or Russia fund some terrorist activities in Libya or Iraq to take production offline or restrict exports.

Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:51 pm to
It it lasts more than a year, I can see that happening.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19586 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:52 pm to
man just give up already, your lack of knowledge about pretty much everything in this thread is quite glaring. Do yourself a favor and go try to learn some things before coming back and making an arse of yourself.
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 3:54 pm to
Oh ok.

What was I wrong on?
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 12/15/14 at 4:07 pm to
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Oh ok.

What was I wrong on?


That the Saudis could not survive prolonged oil prices below $80/bbl.

SA is basically saying they are not going to cut their production to support prices for others. It is a slipperly slope for them which leads to operating at a deficit in the near future.

If they cut production to inflate price then others (like the US) will simply grow output to meet that demand. In cutting production SA may temporarily inflate the price, but is ceding market share.

SA has massive cash reserves and are able to sustain prolonged lower prices. They are going to use that as a tool to take back market share and temper new production.


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