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re: Is joining a union the way to go?
Posted on 7/8/12 at 8:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/8/12 at 8:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why would i join a group that prevents me from advancing and making well more than "union wages" ?
FWIW, all unions aren't like that. The company I work for has "represented" and "non-represented" employees. Almost all hourly employees are "represented", whether they join the union or not. The ones who don't pay union dues are still represented by the union but are frowned upon by union members. Our advancement in the company is merit-based, not seniority-based. The union COULD be a good thing if used for its true intentions. Our hourly employees know they will get raises every year because the union has bargained for them. They know that their benefits and pensions won't be cut. They know that they won't be laid off in favor of cheaper contract labor. The problem comes when lazy, shite stirring employees pull the union card for every little issue. We have plenty of those frickers here but for the most part, our union is a good thing.
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Posted on 7/8/12 at 10:41 pm to Tigah1
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I can't believe all this jealousy towards he union...
This guy is like the DA of unions.
I've been thinking he was trolling this whole time, but now I think he might believe all this.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 12:02 am to The Future
Dude, Frick the union. They only want your money and will shite on you any chance they get.
My .02
My .02
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 12:04 am
Posted on 7/9/12 at 12:14 am to Tigah1
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What happened to the middle class? Maybe,there is a direct correlation between the decline of unions over the past 35 years and the decline of the middle class’s share of national income.
No there isn't. How many entry-level accountants, engineers, healthcare professionals, IT analysts, salesmen, pharmacists, and small business owners need unions?
Middle class workers don't need unions and don't want them. The only people that do want them in today's world are the people who can't accept their market value--their innate worth to society.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 12:15 am to Tigah1
Tigah1: I like your style.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 1:59 am to wiltznucs
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I'd argue that Union greed and ridiculous wage/benefit structures for uneducated and minimally skilled workers robbed American companies of their ability to compete in a global economy. As a result, those "middle class" jobs you refer to have been shifted overseas. In addition, those Union practices increased the operating costs of those companies which is ultimately passed along to the consumer by means of inflated pricing. Unions are not only bad for business, but also bad for the economy as a whole.
hammer meeting nail
Posted on 7/9/12 at 7:25 am to Volt
Just my opinion, but if the shop is already union, it is in your best interest to join as well.
Sure they are suppose to represent union / non-union equally, but it isnt going to happen.
FTR: I am anti-union for most situations.
Sure they are suppose to represent union / non-union equally, but it isnt going to happen.
FTR: I am anti-union for most situations.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 8:49 am to acgeaux129
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No there isn't. How many entry-level accountants, engineers, healthcare professionals, IT analysts, salesmen, pharmacists, and small business owners need unions?
The reason [that unions reduce income inequality] isn't just that unions defend their members. They also create changes in social norms, such as pressures for nonunion employers to match union gains.
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 8:50 am
Posted on 7/9/12 at 9:21 am to Tigah1
If you need a union to get you a higher wage, you are overpaid. I've yet to meet a union worker that doesn't milk the system. My best friend is I'n q union and sends me picture messages all the damn time of them sleeping on the job. Shameful.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 9:29 am to I Love Bama
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If you need a union to get you a higher wage, you are overpaid..
NO SUCH THING! You mad!
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I've yet to meet a union worker that doesn't milk the system. My best friend is I'n q union and sends me picture messages all the damn time of them sleeping on the job. Shameful.
Great generalization!
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 9:42 am
Posted on 7/9/12 at 9:43 am to Tigah1
but I thought it was interesting... quote:
Tigah1
By my count, you have used 25 exclamation points in your 12 posts within this thread so far. That's impressive!
I'm not sure if the Shift+1 combo has been used on my keyboard that many times since I've had this computer. I'm glad you're so excited.
ETA: Uhoh, you edited at least one post since I typed this and added another one. The count is now up to 26 exclamation points by Tigah1 within this thread prior to this post. (just in case anyone else was curious) :csb:
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 9:45 am
Posted on 7/9/12 at 9:47 am to Tigah1
I'm not mad. I have a solid skill set that is I'n demand. My market wages are close to your 6 figure salary without me having to work overtime. When I tell people what I do, I'm not embarrassed or have to defend my worth. It's pretty nice.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 9:52 am to Tigah1
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Great generalization!
you want to talk generalizations after the sweeping nonsense you have posted in this thread?
Posted on 7/9/12 at 9:56 am to kennypowers816
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By my count, you have used 25 exclamation points in your 12 posts within this thread so far. That's impressive!
So......all that time on your hands you must be Union too! Welcome aboard!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted on 7/9/12 at 1:54 pm to Tigah1
Anyone on here ever noticed that the anti-union states have the lowest quality of life as well as the lowest ACT scores (sans Michigan). Factories open up there for the same reason they open up in China and Mexico. Cheap, obedient labor. Not saying that's a bad thing. That's just how it *usually* is.
To the OP: do what your heart and mind tells you. Sometimes unions are just like a staffing and training agency. Other times they're impotent and sometimes their crooked, and sometimes they're legit negotiators.
You have to figure this stuff out for yourself.
To the OP: do what your heart and mind tells you. Sometimes unions are just like a staffing and training agency. Other times they're impotent and sometimes their crooked, and sometimes they're legit negotiators.
You have to figure this stuff out for yourself.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 1:56 pm to BRhuskyfan80
I forgot to mention that you need to assess the vesting schedules of the two plans as well as the portability of union vs. non-union benefits/retirement. It varies.
This post was edited on 7/9/12 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 7/9/12 at 2:24 pm to Tigah1
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Sorry, I was enjoying the fruits of my Union labor.
By posting pro-labor propoganda on the internet on company time?
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you don't have to be stuck making "union wages" you can o right ahead and enjoy being poor!
Ah yes, we all coould live the life of a unionized hotel maid or the like.
quote:Mediocrity has its privileges, I see.
By joining the union I'm getting my 6 figure salary every year.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 2:58 pm to Martavius
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Ah yes, we all coould live the life of a unionized hotel maid or the like.
So many places to go with this. You do know that you need that hotel maid, ditch digger and garbage man. Why is their life an insult to Union wages.
Those operators that keep the chemical plants running aren't earning less than you.
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Mediocrity has its privileges, I see
Well, you should know.
It all depends on where you've set your bar and your perception of mediocrity.
Posted on 7/9/12 at 3:20 pm to ZereauxSum
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are good for everyone economically.
now who's a socialist
Posted on 7/9/12 at 3:22 pm to Tigah1
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You do know that you need that hotel maid, ditch digger and garbage man.
You are correct that we need someone to perform these unskilled tasks. What should the prevailing wage be for them?
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Those operators that keep the chemical plants running aren't earning less than you.
I don't know nor do I care what they earn. What little I know about the job tells me that the skill level required is somewhere north of that of maids, ditch diggers and garbage men though.
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Well, you should know.
Your mind really seems to work in a very childlike manner. Perhaps having a parental figure make the more critical choices for you is best in your particular situation.
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It all depends on where you've set your bar and your perception of mediocrity.
By definition, the bar is set low to be considered mediocre. Only a union minion would think there is some sort of relativity there. Kind of like letting the slowest kid set the pace for the entire class.
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