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Is BP a no brainer?

Posted on 5/12/17 at 5:09 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 5:09 am
I invested heavily in oil back when it was rock bottom but passed on BP for the likes of XOM, RDS and a few others. However after doing some research I am thinking of picking some up for a long term hold. Thoughts?
Posted by Skeezer
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/12/17 at 7:32 am to
I by no means have any sort of expertise in the industry. But I don't see oil rebounding for a long long while.
Who knows what happens with the Saudi ipo. Although I think they are doing it to kill fracking when they disclose how big their reserves are.

Posted by RJSambola
Member since Jun 2012
318 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 7:43 am to
With no capital appreciation it is a 6.75% annual return compounding quarterly. I think the are strong enough to maintain their dividends(no specific metric to point to).
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
18887 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 7:53 am to
quote:

I invested heavily in oil back when it was rock bottom but passed on BP for the likes of XOM, RDS and a few others. However after doing some research I am thinking of picking some up for a long term hold. Thoughts?

I wouldn't touch any oil company unless MRO hit $7 again. That's my opinion. I don't think oil is a promising investment for the future...more like a has been. It could be the new Woolworth (textiles).
Posted by MadtownTiger
Texas
Member since Sep 2010
4204 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:06 am to
I can possibly just give some food for thought, I'm in no way knowledgeable about stocks, but I'm involved in the industry as a Geologist.

BP's big thing is their "new" seismic imaging technique of Full Waveform Inversion. Its big thing is producing better images and allowing for further exploration in producing fields because this technique is combined with prior shot seismic data and petrology data to build a better velocity model. Velocity models are used to produce more accurate maps as well as reveal oil/gas deposits that were missed due to the innate inaccuracies of seismic waves.

I would not really consider this new seismic imaging technique to warrant getting into BP because of it solely. BP is a big player and they know what they are doing with their money and projects, i.e. investing to become a bigger shale producer in the future.

After all that, oil will sit in the 45-high 50s for another two-four years so it is definitely a long term hold. After that, it's going to be hard to say, but early analysis from a lot of the websites/articles I read are that it's going up pretty steeply. This is mainly due to the deepwater GOM projects that have been put off because of prices today. These projects take 3-5 years to start up and with CAPEX being taken out of new exploration in the deepwater GOM it is very well possible that it could create a big supply deficit. This is considering the basin is producing at a current 1.7 MMPD and only going up.

TL;DR If you're looking into the supers XOM, RDS etc.. you probably couldn't go wrong with any. Most are starting to expand their portfolios into the shales of west Texas, have leaned out their staffs and optimized their spending...except for Chevron. I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot pole. Being "PC" can ruin a company pretty quickly these days.

If you're looking for a quick pretty secure pickup, any of the big shale companies are going to be going to work hard and quick. Shale players have dwarfed everyone in expanding CAPEX upwards of 10x as much.

Shale Spending Going Up 10x Compared to Competition.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 9:08 am
Posted by FunroePete
The Big Cheezy
Member since Dec 2012
1531 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:28 am to
I bought in at Brexit. BP imo is undervalued and still has a negative stigma from the oil spill that affects their stock price. They are also making serious gains on that debt.
I also like their UAE and Rosneft stakes as well as their ability to go in Iran and Libya
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 10:48 am
Posted by barry
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Member since Aug 2006
50337 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 10:45 am to
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Although I think they are doing it to kill fracking when they disclose how big their reserves are.



Saudi already has "disclosed" their reserves before and they have every reason to fudge them higher, not lower. So I'd be absolutely shocked if estimates came in higher or even at previous numbers
Posted by MadtownTiger
Texas
Member since Sep 2010
4204 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 11:04 am to
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Saudi already has "disclosed" their reserves before and they have every reason to fudge them higher, not lower. So I'd be absolutely shocked if estimates came in higher or even at previous numbers


Saudi is banking on this IPO more than ever, they are in a corner bad right now. Saudi "experts" are estimating 2 trillion evaluation, which is ridiculous especially with the price of oil. I think some US firms are in the $400-600 billion.

This is going to cause a big problem for them if the valuation doesn't come in how they want. This IPO is supposed to fund their new economy diversification. If that doesn't come to fruition, they might do something drastic to get prices up immediately. That entitlement society they run will be there undoing.
Posted by sneakytiger
Member since Oct 2007
2471 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 12:03 pm to
That BP dividend is untenable, don't chase yield

Aramco is only going to float 5% to the public and they aren't going to do it at $50 oil
Posted by crazycubes
Member since Jan 2016
5256 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 2:50 pm to
Get Iran to nuke Saudi ...profit!
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19583 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 6:14 pm to
The reason I bring them up is they will have 800k of new oil production online by 2020. Couple that with all of their major projects coming in way under budget and ahead time utilizing standardization of equipment and existing assets along with a still fairly depressed stock price.

However all signs are pointing to drastic price drop in 18 so will probably hold tight.

As far as SA, they are fricked and either just dont realize yet or wont admit it. The ME and other OPEC countries are in for a rocky future.
This post was edited on 5/12/17 at 6:18 pm
Posted by matthew25
Member since Jun 2012
9425 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 9:46 pm to
I looked at BP b/c of the high dividend.

They have $23 billion in the bank but could burn through it to pay the dividend.

They break even at $60 per barrel.

Since no one is saying oil will hit 60, I'm still watching.

Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19583 posts
Posted on 5/12/17 at 11:05 pm to
60. Hell we are liable to see it drop lower than previous lows next year when OPEC comes to the realization they are screwed.
Posted by lsugradman
Member since Sep 2003
8544 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 3:33 am to
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into the shales of west Texas, have leaned out their staffs and optimized their spending...except for Chevron


Uhh Chevron has done both of those things. Maybe more so than any other major
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19583 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 4:13 am to
Yea, I am not sure about land but out here in deep water they have gotten it down to a science. I mean down to the second on trip times, connections, literary everything that happens. Quite impressive.

APC on the other hand.
This post was edited on 5/13/17 at 4:18 am
Posted by MadtownTiger
Texas
Member since Sep 2010
4204 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 8:22 am to
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Uhh Chevron has done both of those things. Maybe more so than any other major



Sorry didn't mean it as they haven't optimized and laid off. Poorly worded.

What I meant was they are the only major to actually continue to reduce CAPEX spending this year into 2018. To me from what I saw of them, they were one of the more gluttonous companies during the high time than any other.
Especially after talking to a friend that is still a drilling engineer for them in the Covington office, somehow he made it through the crazy amount of cuts they had in both Covington and Lafayette.

Chevron reduces CAPEX for 2017-2018

Posted by leoj
Member since Nov 2010
3106 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 1:59 pm to
Break even at 60? I thought CEO just said 55?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19583 posts
Posted on 5/13/17 at 6:31 pm to
I want to say their breakeven on their GOM assets are $40.
Posted by CajunTiger92
Member since Dec 2007
2820 posts
Posted on 5/14/17 at 7:19 pm to
I have some invested in that sector but have trimmed my holdings. I think it'll will be in a trading range for years and prefer to deploy capital in sectors that have higher growth potential.
This post was edited on 5/15/17 at 5:22 am
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
19583 posts
Posted on 5/14/17 at 7:36 pm to
What are they running out of the Covington offices now? I thought that that's where all their shelf stuff was being ran out of but they have sold all that. They have closed all of the Lafayette stuff down correct?
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