re: Investing In Tesla

Again, these things require maintenance and sqft to be useful.

It sounds cool that there is no cost to the user, but if I am the owner (investor) I want profit. As an investor you should be looking to maximize your income, right?

What does Tesla currently pay to build, install, maintain, operate these things would be my question.

Also, if a product cost nothing, then it isn't the product.

This thread has provided quite a few laughs for me on a lazy Saturday.
If AUPH hits, the first thing I'm doing is $11,000 in the Roth...half on TSLA and half on either GOOG, AMZN, FB, or AAPL (probably in that order unless convinced otherwise).

Tesla is doubling the number of Superchargers this year, they know they're growing by leaps and bounds and adding chargers for it but the reality is 99% of charging is done at home, the Superchargers are meant for long distance travel. Why would I wait 30 min for a free charge when I can drive all week and when I get low plug it in the wall at home for $10 or so. When you're in a growth phase like tesla profiting from the charging stations isn't the goal it's building a dominant ecosystem. Having the Superchargers is what separates them from the bev offering from gm or BMW today.One day tesla will prob charge non teslas to charge up there and they become like our modern day gas station.

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They tried this with Saturn, it was a disaster. People missed haggling.

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Not even missed haggling, but knowing they are getting screwed and just being told they have to take it.

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When you're in a growth phase like tesla profiting from the charging stations isn't the goal it's building a dominant ecosystem.

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Again, this is investing in Tesla. Not is it a really neat idea. I see Tesla always investing back in itself, which is a great thing if Tesla is writing my check. But, the other manufacturers are catching up (could argue they have caught up) and I just don't see them as a long term car manufacturer at large scale.

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but knowing they are getting screwed and just being told they have to take it.

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How is getting the best car on the planet, that is 10x safer than a regular car, thats not my number, Morgan Stanley said the Tesla was 10x safer than a regular car. At 13,000 miles a year(which is the average a person drives) and 25.5 mpg(the average), the average person uses 510 gallons of fuel. At say $2.50 thats $1300/year in fuel.

This is what it cost to charge a Tesla at home for 300 miles



So lets do some math

13,000 miles in a gas car at 25.5 mpg = $1300/year
13,000 miles in a BEV = $430/year

The BEV also is capable of free charging if you so choose, but even filling it at home is still significantly cheaper, and its only comparable if electricity prices TRIPLE. So over a 5 year ownership period you save $4500 on fuel + whatever else on oil changes + other services..

I dont know about you but thats pretty damn nice to me

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But, the other manufacturers are catching up (could argue they have caught up) and I just don't see them as a long term car manufacturer at large scale.

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When you others have caught up, can you show me proof anywhere? Other than some talk? Can you show me a gigafactory in the plans? Can you show me a mass produced BEV? When you say caught up Id love to see what you're talking about bc I see nobody that has anything thats shown that they're anywhere near Tesla on any scale in the BEV race but I'd love to some info on what you have bc you apparently have evidence, right?

I mean a standard wall connector is fine, but you obviously want more amps if you want faster but even a regular charger is like 8 hours instead of 5, go on tesla.com and click the charging tab and play around with their calculators.

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I think many companies have the capability, but don't want to be the pioneer. I think there is a lot of doubt that the market exist.

Hybrid technology I think is the what most believe the future is.

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Everyone has the capability, its not tough, you have to build a gigafactory, build something people want, and sell them. The thing you're missing is what I said in the OP, the fact is that in the current auto industry, the business model involves way too much of profit being lost and going to the dealer, the unions, and other legacy costs tesla doesn't have. So with those in place, nobody can focus on the BEV bc the current model calls for the parent companies to profit from service and not from the sale and the BEV eliminates service & you have to profit on the sale.....except big auto can't when they have all these independent dealerships in place weighing them down and taking their profits.

The PHEV is not the future, remember when they said Hydorgen Fuel Cells were the future? Well Toyota recently celebrated a big milestone, a whole 250 Mirai were sold and Hyundai sold 100 Tucsons!!!

Toyota Sells 250 Mirai!

Why Hydrogen Fuel Cells Cant Compete With The BEV

Again big auto is doing everything imaginable to invest in every tech but battery tech, bc they're trying to maintain their dominance and the auto servicing industry is enormous, look at all the garages everywhere. The BEV takes a big dump on all those shops, and the entire notion that we must spend money on servicing our vehicle on silly outdated engines..