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Interviewing young adults today and scratching my head
Posted on 12/15/15 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 12/15/15 at 12:28 pm
We have been interviewing for an open developer position and I can't believe what some greenhorns are wanting starting out\or with little experience. We interviewed a guy yesterday that was laid off last March, still unemployed and was making 55K a year at his old job. He now wants wants 75K a year with less than a years experience. Another interview with an Electrical engineer who had no experience in programming(graduated in August) wanting 60K a year.
I also tried to hire a guy that had been laid off from IBM making 45K a year and offered him $47500 and he turned me down wanting 55K. Said he would stay on unemployment until he found 55K. WTF is wrong with young adults today? Our starting salary is in the median for the BR area and we have good benefits for a small company (pay 100% of the employees medical).
I also tried to hire a guy that had been laid off from IBM making 45K a year and offered him $47500 and he turned me down wanting 55K. Said he would stay on unemployment until he found 55K. WTF is wrong with young adults today? Our starting salary is in the median for the BR area and we have good benefits for a small company (pay 100% of the employees medical).
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Posted on 12/15/15 at 12:30 pm to lsufan1971
Entitlement. They think that they and not the market sets their value.
It's a shame that you can't report to unemployment that you made a valid job offer to someone using that benefit and they turned down the job.
It's a shame that you can't report to unemployment that you made a valid job offer to someone using that benefit and they turned down the job.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 12:34 pm to lsufan1971
Oh gee, another bash the millennials thread!
Have you given them any feedback about their salary demands? They are young and dumb. They probably have no idea what the market is paying. Why fault them for wanting as much money as they can get? Clearly, though, someone needs to introduce reality to them.
As to the comment about staying on employment until he gets 55K, yeah, that's stupid, but guess what? He didn't make the unemployment laws. He's not the one that decided it was a good idea for the government to support NOT working. He's just taking advantage of the system that's been set up.
Don't blame the young kids because they are stupid. Blame their idiot helicopter parents for not teaching them how to actually live, for sheltering them, and for electing/being politicians who encourage stupid stuff like this.
Have you given them any feedback about their salary demands? They are young and dumb. They probably have no idea what the market is paying. Why fault them for wanting as much money as they can get? Clearly, though, someone needs to introduce reality to them.
As to the comment about staying on employment until he gets 55K, yeah, that's stupid, but guess what? He didn't make the unemployment laws. He's not the one that decided it was a good idea for the government to support NOT working. He's just taking advantage of the system that's been set up.
Don't blame the young kids because they are stupid. Blame their idiot helicopter parents for not teaching them how to actually live, for sheltering them, and for electing/being politicians who encourage stupid stuff like this.
This post was edited on 12/15/15 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 12/15/15 at 12:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Have you given them any feedback about their salary demands? They are young and dumb. They probably have no idea what the market is paying.
Well two of them had jobs already where I offered one a raise form the job he was laid off.
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Don't blame the young kids because they are stupid. Blame their idiot helicopter parents for not teaching them how to actually live, for sheltering them, and for electing/being politicians who encourage stupid stuff like this.
Their parents aren't interviewing with me for a job.
This post was edited on 12/15/15 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/15/15 at 12:45 pm to lsufan1971
That doesn't mean anything. One thing I've seen is that young employees don't understand that smaller companies in smaller cities pay less.
In my field, they see that someone going to work for a Big Four firm in NYC makes, say, 65K to start, and they think that working for a 50 person firm in S. Louisiana will also pay 65K to start.
In my field, they see that someone going to work for a Big Four firm in NYC makes, say, 65K to start, and they think that working for a 50 person firm in S. Louisiana will also pay 65K to start.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:01 pm to lsufan1971
I am worth what I am worth and someone will pay what I am worth. I'm not knowledgeable with the developer/ engineer side of things but as a Civil engineer in Birmingham I was able to negotiate a higher salary with the company I am with now (50 people, I started 6 months ago) than they were wanting to offer just because I knew what I was worth and what I could get elsewhere.
If you have an opening in your company and everyone that is applying wants more than you are wanting to give, it may mean that the market is making them worth more than you think.
While you may think it is a 50k job, the market seems to be saying that that isn't enough.
If you have an opening in your company and everyone that is applying wants more than you are wanting to give, it may mean that the market is making them worth more than you think.
While you may think it is a 50k job, the market seems to be saying that that isn't enough.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:01 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Have you given them any feedback about their salary demands? They are young and dumb. They probably have no idea what the market is paying. Why fault them for wanting as much money as they can get? Clearly, though, someone needs to introduce reality to them.
This. If you thought well enough of him to make an offer at all, kindly explain that you aren't going to bump it up, and give a deadline to respond or you move on.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:06 pm to lsufan1971
I got laid off in may. Took contract work and refused to file for unemployment. That contract company hired me to a full time position for more money and better benefits. I hate it, but cant leave until i get a new one. So we dont all suck.
Hell im 30, dont even know if i still fall into that category.
Hell im 30, dont even know if i still fall into that category.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:06 pm to lsufan1971
How are these people surviving? I know they aren't saving enough to go 10+ months without a paycheck and then turn down a job paying just as much or more.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 1:31 pm to lsufan1971
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an Electrical engineer who had no experience in programming(graduated in August) wanting 60K a year.
That's on the high end if he had no internship/co-op experience, but not outrageous. As a ChemE I started out at 52K in 2006, though I had ~1 year of Co-Op experience.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 2:41 pm to lsufan1971
Where is the job at and what exactly is a developer? Nvm, I see it's software. Looking for a PM job.
This post was edited on 12/15/15 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 12/15/15 at 3:06 pm to lsufan1971
Have any openings for someone with law enforcement experience? Id gladly accept any of those salaries 
Posted on 12/15/15 at 3:08 pm to lsufan1971
To put things in perspective, I know exactly one person in the last two years that came out of civil making less than 50k, with a good number over 60.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 3:08 pm to lsufan1971
The other part of the puzzle is this... are YOU sure that YOU are offering market salaries?
Maybe they were making under market before and are trying to step up now?
Maybe they were making under market before and are trying to step up now?
Posted on 12/15/15 at 3:28 pm to LSUFanHouston
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The other part of the puzzle is this... are YOU sure that YOU are offering market salaries?
In my OP I said I offered an ex employee from IBM more than he was making when he was laid off. Yet he decided to stay unemployed because he thought he was worth more. He had been unemployed for 9 months at the time I interviewed him.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 3:33 pm to lsufan1971
Perhaps IBM undervalued him as well?
There's a ton of factors before you can undeniably say he's being unreasonable on his asking number.
There's a ton of factors before you can undeniably say he's being unreasonable on his asking number.
Posted on 12/15/15 at 3:35 pm to lsufan1971
Meh, I'm not a millenial and I sat tight for an offer for what I thought I was worth after I got laid off 6 or 7 years ago. Turned a few offers down. Nothing wrong with looking to get what you think you're worth, IMO, as long as it's not unreasonable.
A $20K bump is unreasonable, so that guy deserves some scorn, but the others don't seem that egregious. Did you attempt to negotiate with them?
A $20K bump is unreasonable, so that guy deserves some scorn, but the others don't seem that egregious. Did you attempt to negotiate with them?
Posted on 12/15/15 at 3:48 pm to lsufan1971
Higher me, teach me, I'd take 30K
(Not joking)
(Not joking)
Posted on 12/15/15 at 3:48 pm to lsufan1971
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IBM making 45K a year and offered him $47500
You clearly value him for more than what he was worth to IBM. How ridiculous is it for him thinking that he is worth more than 47500?
Posted on 12/15/15 at 5:26 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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Perhaps IBM undervalued him as well
If he was undervalued, he wouldn't have gotten laid off as he claims
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