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I want to start saving money for my children

Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:02 pm
Posted by burgeman
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:02 pm
Hello all, I am looking into start put money away for my twins. They are currently 5 months old, so plenty of time to save. Right now I am strongly considering the Louisiana Start plan, it seems pretty flexible with education options in the future. I am also considering just a savings account or something else. Is the Start plan the best thing going right now for their future, thanks for any advice.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 1:27 pm to
one thing to consider is that the best way to protect your kids' financial future is to insure your own. Doing everything you can to make sure your kids will never have to take care of you or cover your expenses is a great way to protect them.

My personal philosophy is the more money I have the better I can take care of them in times of need and they don't have anything to just bank on and enable them to be lazy. I have planned to have more money in retirement than I will ever need so that they get a sizable inheritance but it stays with me and the wife until we are gone in order to protect them from any possible financial burdens of ours.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:13 pm to
I think you should be clear on what "their future" means to you...

If you are saying strictly college, yes, the Louisiana START program is the best thing you have available. Assuming you're married, you get up to a $4,800 LA tax deduction per child, so up to $9,600. Depending on your income, you'll get a small match from the state. It isn't much, but it's something. However, if "their future" isn't necessarily college you will pay ordinary income tax plus a 10% penalty on anything that isn't spent on higher education expenses.

Next is the Coverdell (CESA). It can be used for private school (k-12) as well as college if that is a consideration. You don't get any tax deductions, but it works kind of like a Roth (tax free) if you use it for school. Your limit is $2,000 per year per child. However, if "their future" isn't necessarily school you will pay ordinary income tax plus a 10% penalty on anything that isn't spent on education expenses.

You could do an UTMA account, but that becomes theirs when they turn 18. And while they may be angels today... yeah, alcohol and drugs are way cool to a rich 18 year old. Just sayin'.

Or, you could do a brokerage account in your name. It's taxable to you, but no penalties to worry about and has most flexibility. Save there, take a few years to see how things play out. They get a scholarship, don't go to college, can't handle the money, become drug dealers, etc. You can always buy yourself a boat or put it in your own retirement. If they are great kids, you can help them with their first house or a wedding or something really responsible for them.

But first you need to decide whether this is "for college" or for "their future" generally. Feel free to ask questions if you'd like... I assume I'll be avoiding Tiger Rant and Saints boards for the foreseeable future.

****eta: the taxes and penalties are on the growth, not the contributions***
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 8:39 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:17 pm to
All in on Crypto. Kids will be set
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24124 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 3:46 pm to
If you choose the right crypto?
Posted by burgeman
Member since Jun 2008
10360 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 4:02 pm to
Thank you for breaking it down for me. I would hope they go to college but you never know. I wouldn't want something that they automatically get when they turn 18, I know what I would have done with money when I was 18. In fact I blew $3200 in a month I inherited from my great aunt when I was 18. I may be interested in the brokerage account, just in case things go sideways.
Posted by SaintLSUnAtl
THE REAL MJ
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:05 pm to
I would put a dime in to anything that starts with "Louisiana" lmao
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 7:21 pm to
quote:

Next is the Coverdell (CESA). It can be used for private school (k-12) as well as college if that is a consideration. You don't get any tax deductions, but it works kind of like a Roth (tax free) if you use it for school. Your limit is $2,000 per year per child. However, if "their future" isn't necessarily school you will pay ordinary income tax plus a 10% penalty on anything that isn't spent on education expenses.


Is that just a LA thing or nationwide?
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1567 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:32 pm to
Nationwide
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:37 pm to
quote:

SavingForCollege.com, a national College Saving Plan comparison website that publishes rankings each quarter, reported that Louisiana's START Savings Program ranked first for 10-year performance among all 529 plans in America. START was also ranked among the Top 10 State 529 plans for 1-year, 3-year and 5-year performance.


I put my kid's money in it and it worked out great. It's vanguard funds which is a crowd favorite around here. I also call them reasonably frequently and they almost always know their shite and are much better than your average state program.

So, some random guy on the internet gives them two thumbs up!
Posted by CorkSoaker
Member since Oct 2008
9784 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:45 pm to
Dang. I didn't know about this.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
9341 posts
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:27 pm to
Yep. A finance guy I know stated as much. My START accounts are doing really well.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25397 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 7:00 am to
You can make a one time 55k per child investment in a 529. Do that sooner than later to compound interest.

Then put 1k each in Bitcoin.
Posted by TigerSaint1
Member since Apr 2014
1479 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 8:45 am to
quote:

Next is the Coverdell (CESA). It can be used for private school (k-12) as well as college if that is a consideration. You don't get any tax deductions, but it works kind of like a Roth (tax free) if you use it for school. Your limit is $2,000 per year per child. However, if "their future" isn't necessarily school you will pay ordinary income tax plus a 10% penalty on anything that isn't spent on education expenses.


So this is post tax dollars? So you're hope is that you gain enough over time to take out the contributions+gains tax-free to recoup some of the money spent on private school? My son is in daycare right now at a private school, but any help in the future would be great.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1567 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:22 am to
quote:

So you're hope is that you gain enough over time to take out the contributions+gains tax-free to recoup some of the money spent on private school


Well, yes, technically. I typically don't tell people who need the money within, say, three years to invest the money in the stock market. You really need several years to let it grow tax deferred in order to make it worth the risk. You could and likely would make money in a short time frame, but then there's the 20-30% chance you lose a bunch right of the bat (which would be a good case to dollar cost average into the investment, but I digress).

So for a child in daycare, I wouldn't think the CESA would be a good place to save for Kindergarten since the time frame is so short. But for middle school and beyond, you have enough time to take the risk and make the growth worth your investment.

The START plan is different. Because you get the tax deduction, you can put your money in that the year of and have advantages to do so. For example, my kid is at SELU and I put in the $4,800 this year. As soon as the check cleared I turned around and made a distribution to cover tuition. I'll receive a $4,800 deduction and a 2% match on those funds so I made maybe $300 net/net to take the extra step in about one week turn around time (roughly 6%).
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19673 posts
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:04 pm to
quote:

Coverdell


Only downfall, as it was explained to me, is coberdell is considered an asset for your child and can negatively effect them in regards to financial aid for college.
Posted by burgeman
Member since Jun 2008
10360 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:08 am to
quote:

The START plan is different. Because you get the tax deduction, you can put your money in that the year of and have advantages to do so. For example, my kid is at SELU and I put in the $4,800 this year. As soon as the check cleared I turned around and made a distribution to cover tuition. I'll receive a $4,800 deduction and a 2% match on those funds so I made maybe $300 net/net to take the extra step in about one week turn around time (roughly 6%).


That is a pretty good strategy to get a quick investment turnaround.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 9:08 am
Posted by Marlbud
Member since Jun 2017
964 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 9:26 am to
Buy rental property.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1567 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:11 am to
People tell me I'm full of it.
Posted by UpstairsComputer
Prairieville
Member since Jan 2017
1567 posts
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:15 am to
Someone gave you bad information. It is only an asset of the child if the child is the account owner (and they can't be the owner until age 18). If a parent or grandparent is the account owner it is excluded from the FAFSA.

One thing I forgot to mention is you can change the beneficiary on the Louisiana START 529 and the CESA... there's no constructive receipt by the child.

The UTMA is a completed gift to the child, therefore it WOULD be included on the FAFSA.
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