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I have a really stupid and dumb (or both) question about shorting a stock...

Posted on 1/26/16 at 10:30 am
Posted by The Egg
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2004
79126 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 10:30 am
how does one short a stock?

Again, this is going to sound like a retarded thread, so flame away if necessary.

I've always only just bought and sold, but have never shorted anything.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10258 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 10:41 am to
You are borrowing shares in hope to buy back at a later date (at a lower price) to turn a profit.

That's the simplest explanation.

To do so, you "sell short" a position, in stead of "buying long".

Have a stop.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 10:43 am to
It depends on what trading platform you use.

Schwab has a transaction menu on its trading platform that includes "Buy, Sell, Short." If you click on 'short' and enter the number of shares, the price per share you want to short sell at and company symbol and then submit the order, Schwab handles the rest.

To close out the short position you have to "buy" the stock. Newcomers to shorting often get confused and think they have to sell their position. But by shorting, you have already 'sold' the shares, even though you don't own them.

You have to have certain margin or cash requirements to enter a short order.

And you can only short stocks in a taxable account, not an IRA.

Anything else?
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 11:02 am
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7218 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 10:46 am to
Generally what's the round about fees on shorting?
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
50340 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 10:47 am to
First you need a margin enabled account. Second you go to the trading screen and select short instead of buy. Thats it. To close out your position just purchase the same amount of the stock later.

eta: If you do this, have a stop-loss price in mind and set a trade execution for that price. If not the stock could take off on you in a split second and your fricked
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 10:50 am
Posted by poochie
Houma, la
Member since Apr 2007
6203 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 10:48 am to
From what I understand, say a stock is $100 today and you think it will go down to $50.

If you short the stock, someone "gives" it to you for you to do what you will in exchange for its value today. You sell it for $100 and have $100 cash in hand. When it goes down to $50, you buy it back for $50.
You give the stock back and you keep the difference ($50). You can only gain of the stock goes down.

If it goes up, you could potentially lose infinite money.

If you short it at $100 and it goes up to $150, you have to buy it back at $150 and you lose $50.

Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 10:50 am to
quote:

Generally what's the round about fees on shorting?
I'm charged a flat fee of $6.95 to short a stock up to 10,000 shares per order.

10,000 shares covers my needs just fine...
Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72603 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:04 am to
quote:

how does one short a stock?


Ever heard of going "short" on a commodity futures contract?

Just like you can go "long"

Posted by Fat Bastard
coach, investor, gambler
Member since Mar 2009
72603 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 11:10 am to
quote:

If not the stock could take off on you in a split second and your fricked



This happens in commodities trading with volatile contracts. I've seen a few limit down days in a row. Might be way past your stop loss.
Posted by geauxbears08
Houston, TX
Member since Jun 2011
223 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 2:38 pm to
If you're gonna short stocks, just start trading options instead.
Posted by Iowa Golfer
Heaven
Member since Dec 2013
10229 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 4:41 pm to
I'd agree with geauxbears08 for the vast majority of investors. But with respect to shorting, part of the cost of the transaction is going to be the cost to borrow the shares. With respect to a stop, this isn't enough in my opinion, as no guaranty a stock won't open above your stop, and your stop won't adjust, or consequently execute. It could also quickly blow through the stop and not fill. One should be using some type of contingent order. Stops are extremely dangerous. If you can get execution guaranty with a contingent, you've just turned a theoretically unlimited loss into a maximum loss. Most of the time. If a price is blowing through quickly, and you have a contingent trade, if the contingency is hit and the buy is at market after the contingency is hit, the price still could be beyond what would be prudent at that point.

So I wouldn't short as there are other ways to do this. But I do short on rare occasions. But I understand everything I just typed here as well. I won't even get into MM's in a dramatic upward or downward price environment knocking through retail investors stops as a matter of course. I'm assuming the computers are programmed to look for this, and they do as well.

But hell, what do I know anyway?
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 5:58 pm to
Basically, instead of buying today and (hopefully) selling for a profit later, you sell shares today and hope they go down, then buy shares to close the position.

So sell ABC shares (Short - you do not own any shares)
Then buy to cover your short position in ABC later.

Posted by bovine1
Walnut Ridge,AR via Tallulah,LA
Member since Dec 2004
1276 posts
Posted on 1/26/16 at 6:52 pm to
I just have one thing to add. You are borrowing the shares in order to sell them short. It's happened several times to me that I placed the order and was told that there were no available shares to borrow. Obviously this is more of a problem with more thinly traded stocks.
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