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How often do you make contributions to your portfolio?

Posted on 1/10/17 at 12:31 pm
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 12:31 pm
401k aside, how often do you contribute to your portfolio, and do you rebalance your portfolio at each contribution?

I would prefer to rebalance at 12+ months, but it seems the only way to accomplish this is hold off on contributions until this time.

I prefer this schedule in part because at 12+ months, I am able to avoid short term gains, significantly reducing taxes should I need to sell while rebalancing. Studies have also shown that portfolios rebalanced at around 18 months outperform those rebalanced more regularly. Am I wrong in this approach?

What should take precedence: getting funds into the market as soon as available, or the rebalancing on a set schedule?
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:01 pm to
I contribute to my brokerage account with every paycheck. And then I buy it when I get about 10k to buy stuff.

I rebalance every 18 months or so. And I just try to buy stuff in my targeted balance as I go.
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:07 pm to
How are you allocating those $10k amounts relative to your AA? My issue is that I often have limited space in my tax-protected accounts--and in turn the amount of bonds I can buy--so if making periodic $10k contributions, I will consistently end up out of alignment by purchasing equities everytime.

In that case, my rebalancing will be due in large part to the contributions each year, as opposed to market fluctuations. Would that even matter?
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

How are you allocating those $10k amounts relative to your AA? My issue is that I often have limited space in my tax-protected accounts--and in turn the amount of bonds I can buy--so if making periodic $10k contributions, I will consistently end up out of alignment by purchasing equities everytime.

In that case, my rebalancing will be due in large part to the contributions each year, as opposed to market fluctuations. Would that even matter?

you could always buy ETFs/mutual funds for bonds, they exist.

I will often save up to 20k to buy a bond fwiw.

This was a good prompt to go buy some stuff, I had a good $15k sitting in my trading account.
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 1:28 pm to
I'm referring to bond funds, Total Bond Market Index

Ideally, I would make regular contributions and allocate the new funds with respect to my desired AA.

However, I have limited space in protected accounts (Roth), so once that's filled, I would be making regular contributions that are equities, and have a portfolio that is consistently out of balance because of this.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:05 pm to
I'm in frustrating situation- my damn 401k was contribution maxed out to $24000. My income level doesn't allow a Roth contribution- thoughts? Married/jointly 53 y/o
Posted by Hawkeye95
Member since Dec 2013
20293 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

I'm in frustrating situation- my damn 401k was contribution maxed out to $24000. My income level doesn't allow a Roth contribution- thoughts? Married/jointly 53 y/o


backdoor roth.

sucks to have a high income. I really would like to see them raise the income limits on roth. its far too low IMHO.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48894 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 2:38 pm to
dumb question but how does one "rebalance"

what is meant when i read that?
Posted by stonerolledaway
the villages
Member since Jul 2011
982 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:05 pm to
backdoor roth?
Posted by Books
BR
Member since Jun 2005
11174 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 3:31 pm to
quote:

how does one "rebalance"

what is meant when i read that?
https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Rebalancing
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 6:21 pm to
How does one go about this? In addition, I would like for recommendation for a CPA/tax consultant to help me with deductions etc. I'm getting nailed every year - I don't mind paying my share - you know the rest.
I live in Baton Rouge. So anyone in the area - including lafayette and New Orleans
Posted by oklahogjr
Gold Membership
Member since Jan 2010
36748 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:16 pm to
Bi weekly to 401k otherwise just whenever I have enough in savings I'm comfortable with gambling on
Posted by kaaj24
Dallas
Member since Jan 2010
602 posts
Posted on 1/10/17 at 8:30 pm to
I make periodic stock purchases when I have accumulated at least an extra $2500. (2 or 3 times a year excluding Roth or 401K contributions)
Posted by RickAstley
Reno, Nevada
Member since May 2011
1995 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:59 am to
I contribute to my Roth IRA and 401k bimonthly. I contribute to my taxable account once a month (did the taxable account for a year and took a break for the past 2. Resumed contributions last fall). I've been investing for 5 years now and have re-balanced only once, which was end of 2015. I plan to reevaluate my holdings this year at some point.

//PSA: I am not an expert with financials, but I do understand the rule to pay myself first.
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
10010 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:07 am to
quote:

sucks to have a high income.


There are FAR greater financial problems to have
Posted by slinger1317
Northshore
Member since Sep 2005
5805 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

Gorilla Ball


I visited my advisor today to fill out the paperwork for my backdoor Roth. This will be my second year to do so. Basically you contribute $5500 to a traditional IRA. Once those funds are settled, your broker moves the funds to a Roth. You don't claim the $5500 as a deduction on your 1040, and you also have to sign a Form 8606 and send in with your tax return. It's pretty painless, I was clueless about the whole thing up until last year. Last year I had actually bought into a Mutual Fund inside the Traditional and in the 3 days it took for the money to move to the Roth, it actually lost about $20, so I didn't have to pay any additional taxes. This year I will leave the full $5500 in cash in the traditional and invest it once it hits the Roth.

It's a pretty common practice these days and a really ridiculous set of hoops to jump through. But that's government.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:49 pm to
Thanks for this information
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 10:51 pm to
Every paycheck
Posted by Street Hawk
Member since Nov 2014
3459 posts
Posted on 1/11/17 at 11:24 pm to
quote:

I would prefer to rebalance at 12+ months, but it seems the only way to accomplish this is hold off on contributions until this time.

I really think you should open an account with a robo-advisor like Betterment or Wealthfront and give it a try. Based on the risk profile you choose, with robo-advisors you get excellent diversification using low cost ETFs. In addition you get periodic automatic rebalancing and tax loss harvesting done by the computers without the adverse effect of any human behavioral fallacies at a fraction (0.15-0.25%) of what you would pay a professional financial advisor. I am slowly moving all my retirement savings (outside of my 401(k) to my Betterment and Wealthfront accounts. You set it once and forget about it. The beauty is that the computer/algorithm does the work for you and so you can spend time doing other things that you actually enjoy.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 11:30 pm
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