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re: Diving deeper on Standard Lithium?

Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:12 pm to
Posted by ev247
Member since Nov 2022
299 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 9:12 pm to
You wouldn’t be pleased if they PRed those sample shipments come on

They say they’re in “late stage” offtake negotiations and people will believe that or not, regardless of if we know where they sent a gallon of lithium chloride over the weekend.

I only say this because I think your bar to be impressed by them is higher than mine, and I would lose it if they wasted my time PRing these. Comparable to when they PRed that they were “anchoring” Arkansas li production just to tell us that Exxon moved next door.

They’re about to sink or swim on this royalty, can’t wait to find out if this thing was a springboard or a classroom
This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 9:15 pm
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6972 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:19 am to
cant you just let me be mad
Posted by ev247
Member since Nov 2022
299 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:48 am to
Haha carry on brother. Did you end up buying back in here?

Not the happiest myself, they’ve made a sport of ignoring my inquiries lately
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6972 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:13 pm to
yeah a tiny position just to yeet it
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27329 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 6:41 pm to
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If feel like the AOGC is the real hindrance in everything right now.....


Very much so. SLI is the only company being asked to produce numbers because they are the only ones that have produced shite. I can see where they'd let share price slide and play it down prior to royalties being set. If they release some great numbers...royalties skyrocket and kill future profits. Catch 22. I'm holding. As a shareholder, I'd rather them play the long game to get lower royalties than to protect share price at the current time. I don't care where it is now, but where it will be 5 year from now.

I'm certainly not saying this is what's happening, but it's bullshite that they are being called out by the commission for not releasing data when no one else has data to release. I know several of them and discussed this at length. I say 3% and revisit it in 10 years once the projects are developed and had time to recoup investments. They are currently trying to set royalties on an industry that don't exist. Dumbass landowners are going to end up with shite.
Posted by CarbonAce
Member since Apr 2021
105 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 7:33 pm to
Posted by CarbonAce online on 4/6/24 at 3:49 pm to Auburn1968
How do we know they do not have it all worked out and are not worried about stock price because it will all be announced when time is right?
Posted by ev247
Member since Nov 2022
299 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:16 pm to
Man I’d love to see your 3% then revisit idea but am still thinking about Exxon being (saying they’re) okay with 10%. Why wouldn’t Exxon sandbag Standard? Standard would be the bad guy in public opinion.

The public won’t read a DFS, and the Dec hearing revealed that the DFS doesn’t include Lanxess fees anyway lol. So no one can verify what royalty Standard can “afford” even if they read what’s available. So people will be left to their imaginations and assume Standard is just a greedier corporation.

Everyone hyped lithium as the next oil boom and now Standard has to stand up at hearings and explain why oil royalties aren’t appropriate. I’m on their side of course but wouldn’t want that job.

Any indication if April is still too soon to get the decision Smack?
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27329 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:23 pm to
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Any indication if April is still too soon to get the decision Smack?


Have no clue. I thought it was going to be settled at the last meeting. I know Exxon is playing some games. I'm ready to see Albermarle give some input. Somehow, they've gotten a free pass.
Posted by ev247
Member since Nov 2022
299 posts
Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:47 pm to
I’m a little optimistic that we’ve known since Jan that they wouldn’t hear it again til April. Why skip March hearing? Makes me think that some specific hurdle wouldn’t have been cleared in time for March hearing but would be by April. IR sounded confident that decision would come in Apr but won’t respond lately.

We do know that in Dec the commission wanted the Lanxess agreements and Standard was saying that it was confidential. Either way, Standard couldn’t have provided them in Dec because they were still being negotiated as of Standard’s Feb earnings call. Hopefully Lanxess negotiations are done by this coming hearinng.

I did read Albemarle’s objection to Standard’s royalty proposal though. They said they didn’t want the royalty paid to expose the price received for lithium, as no one wants their competitors to know the price they’re selling lithium for. Makes sense.

Hopefully we can get a resolution soon so we can rest our speculator muscles for once.
I appreciate your insight SmackoverHawg
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4582 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:13 pm to

Update: Companies Withdraw Plan to Set Arkansas Lithium Royalties

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Update (4/11): Lanxess Corp. and Standard Lithium Ltd., companies that have partnered to make test batches of battery-quality lithium by extracting the metal from underground brines in south Arkansas, have withdrawn their application for the state to establish a royalty to be paid to the brine’s mineral rights owners. The topic had been scheduled for discussion at an April 23 meeting of the Arkansas Oil and Gas Commission in El Dorado, but that hearing may be canceled, according to a letter dated April 1 from the companies’ law firm to members of the Oil and Gas Commission and its director, Lawrence E. Bengal. Lanxess and Standard had previously proposed royalties for mineral rights owners of up to $900 per ton for lithium carbonate selling at $60,000 a ton, but prices for the element have tumbled since hitting record heights in 2022. In the April 1 letter, attorney Robert M. Honea of Hardin, Jesson & Terry PLC of Fort Smith and Little Rock, noted that the companies were granted ongoing authority to operate their El Dorado test extraction plant by the commission late last year. At that time, their request to establish a royalty was put off. “Please be advised that the Applicants have decided to withdraw their Application for the establishment of a royalty on lithium,” Honea wrote. “The hearing on this matter presently scheduled for April 23, 2024, may therefore be canceled.” The letter gave no reason for the companies’ decision to withdraw the application,


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Bengal told Arkansas Business via email that the April 23 meeting will go on as scheduled, though it may be abbreviated. “The application has been withdrawn on request of the Applicant for reasons I am unaware of at this point,” Bengal said. “The Commission will still have a hearing as this is the regularly scheduled monthly hearing for April and other matters and applications will be heard.” Original story: Late last month, Reuters reported that a complex mix of state regulations could impede America’s push to become a global lithium source. The news service said doubts about mineral rights to underground brines — like those Standard Lithium Ltd. and Lanxess AG are using to produce test batches of powdered lithium in south Arkansas — could pose problems for companies working to create a multibillion-dollar new pipeline for battery material. Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders says south Arkansas could become a global capital of lithium production as companies like Exxon Mobil, Tetra Technologies and Albemarle start work on a vast infrastructure to pump brine to the earth’s surface, strip it of precious elements and pump it back deep underground.


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But as Reuters reported, questions about who owns the brine rights and what they should be paid in royalties remain unanswered in Arkansas and other lithium-rich states. Landowners have been waiting years for the Arkansas Oil & Gas Commission to establish a royalty on lithium brine, even though the state has long had a royalty for brine used in bromine production. The commission is set to address lithium royalties in an April 23 meeting, but no definite answer is likely right away. Lanxess and Standard had proposed royalties for mineral rights owners of up to $900 per ton for lithium carbonate selling at $60,000 a ton, but prices for the element tumbled after that proposal. Goldman Sachs estimates an average price of about $13,500 per ton for lithium carbonate this year, and about $14,300 per ton for lithium hydroxide. Both compounds are used in making lithium ion batteries, key to the emerging electric vehicle market. But prices could still skyrocket by 2030, just about the time lithium production in Arkansas could be taking off. “Global lithium demand is expected to outpace supply by 500,000 metric tons annually by 2030,” Reuters reported, and if the U.S. can’t boost domestic production, battery makers will have to turn to China. Still, price clarity is elusive. Texas’ lack of a royalty price has put off both Standard Lithium, which is backed by Koch Industries of Wichita, Kansas, and Tetra, Exxon’s partner in an Arkansas lithium project. “We’re taking a measured approach to Texas,” Robert Mintak, Standard’s CEO, told Reuters. He is far more optimistic about Arkansas’ regulatory environment, but again, there are those pesky doubts on royalties.


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State officials have been working on a formula for mineral rights owners since 2018, but the devil is in the details. One suggestion has been to set different royalty rates for brines holding various concentrations of lithium. Dave Gibbs, president and CEO of Mission Creek Resources LLC, which has an operations center in Magnolia, told Arkansas Business that the oil and gas industry had “a very long run in establishing what is fair and reasonable in royalties.” But he said that when a barrel of oil is pumped up, the industry pays royalties based on the value of crude oil, not on the gallons of jet fuel or motor oil or lighter fluid that refinement produces. “Right now all the conversations about lithium are all based on the final refined value as lithium carbonate,” Gibbs said. South Arkansas brines are 200 to 500 parts per million lithium, a tiny fraction compared with a whole barrel of water. “People are running around saying that lithium is worth tens of thousands of dollars per ton, but that’s refined lithium, which is a very far thing from a barrel of brine. That’s going to be the big battle: How do you set a royalty on the unrefined brine?”
Posted by SmackoverHawg
Member since Oct 2011
27329 posts
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:09 pm to
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“People are running around saying that lithium is worth tens of thousands of dollars per ton, but that’s refined lithium, which is a very far thing from a barrel of brine. That’s going to be the big battle: How do you set a royalty on the unrefined brine?”

THIS!!! People don't understand how dilute it is and a barrel of their brine is worth jack shite. Actually negative jack shite if you bring it to the surface because then it's a biohazard and has to be reinjected. I think 3 % is more than reasonable. I actually don't see why it should even change. The brine is still the same brine they've been getting 1.5% for decades.
Posted by Elusiveporpi
Below I-10
Member since Feb 2011
2574 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 5:57 pm to
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have withdrawn their application for the state to establish a royalty to be paid to the brine’s mineral rights owners. The topic had been scheduled for discussion at an April 23 meeting of the Arkansas Oil and Gas Commission in El Dorado, but that hearing may be canceled, according to a letter dated April 1 from the companies’ law firm to members of the Oil and Gas Commission and its director, Lawrence E. Bengal.


Sooooooo, SLI just stalled? What’s next
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1986 posts
Posted on 4/12/24 at 7:20 pm to
Nope nope nope, not gonna do it. I don’t wanna……
Posted by ev247
Member since Nov 2022
299 posts
Posted on 4/13/24 at 11:54 pm to
We got our answer of how much dilution they’ve done this quarter, 6.4 million shares for $9m and 1.3m Canadian shares for $2.4m CAD. Add those to last quarter’s dilution and I think the total is around $16m out of the $50m available. I guess this is how they’re funding things like the new commercial DLE column PRed last month (did they commission it end of March like they said they would?), ongoing East Tx drilling, ongoing SWA drilling, and the SWA DFS that Mintak said would start last year (has it?)


Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
3728 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:04 am to
anyone buying more at these levels? i know its painful, but I haven't totally given up.

Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
16473 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:05 am to
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anyone buying more at these levels?


The sunshine pumper who runs the Facebook page is.
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1986 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:06 am to
I keep saying it’s going under a dollar so I’m sticking to that and will buy then
Posted by Wraytex
San Antonio - Gonzales
Member since Jun 2020
1986 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:23 am to
I don’t buy that he’s buying.

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The sunshine pumper who runs the Facebook page is.
Posted by ThermoDynamicTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
1278 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 9:30 am to
I had a dream the other night that Exxon was in negotiations to purchase SLI for $10/share, and that some random mid-major oil company was waiting in the wings for the deal to fall through so they could also buy SLI. I was a good dream.
Posted by jamiegla1
Member since Aug 2016
6972 posts
Posted on 4/16/24 at 10:09 am to
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The sunshine pumper who runs the Facebook page is.

i was glad to see him boot that guy that posted about any company with the letters L and I in their name
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