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Contingent Sale

Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:03 pm
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
7969 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:03 pm
Here's a situation that I'm looking for some clarity. Any insight is appreciated.

Buyer 1 submits contingent offer on a house. A deal is reached and the house is under a contingent contract.

Buyer 2 submits a (better) offer on same house 6 days later.

Seller tells buyer 1 they have a few days to remove contingency or lose the deal. They do. Next day, buyer 1 gets his current house under contract and removes contingency. Seller has to turn down offer from buyer 2.

When contingency is removed, there is language that states the following:

"If contingency is removed by buyer, all financial contingencies of this agreement are automatically removed and all other terms of this agreement remain in full force and effect."

Fast forward 8 weeks (thanks RD) and buyer 1 backs out of the deal citing a financial issue.

Because the financial contingency was removed, can that be the reason to back out of a sale?





Posted by bobaftt1212
Hills of TN
Member since Mar 2013
1315 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:11 pm to
you could sue them but good luck... I'd be trying to keep the earnest money though
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7215 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 3:16 pm to
How are you going to force someone to buy a house that they can't get financed on? The money can't magically appear. If the house had a higher offer, then you should have no problem getting the price buyer 1 had a purchase agreement for.

I would probably try to keep the deposit if I was the seller but I wouldn't be going to court over it.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
28534 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:02 pm to
Just be reasonable and move on.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41158 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 4:16 pm to
they can back out, but

quote:

all other terms of this agreement remain in full force and effect



What does the new agreement say about you keeping the deposit?
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16448 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 5:20 pm to
quote:

If contingency is removed by buyer, all financial contingencies of this agreement are automatically removed and all other terms of this agreement remain in full force and effect."


I personally remove this clause on any contingency deals I'm in. It makes no sense to me what the contingency agreement has to do with the financing clause that is in any standard purchase agreement. One should have nothing to do with the other. If the house cannot be financed for whatever reason, that has nothing to do with the contingency. Just my two cents.
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
7969 posts
Posted on 8/8/16 at 6:19 pm to
quote:

I personally remove this clause on any contingency deals I'm in. It makes no sense to me what the contingency agreement has to do with the financing clause that is in any standard purchase agreement. One should have nothing to do with the other. If the house cannot be financed for whatever reason, that has nothing to do with the contingency. Just my two cents.


So, if the clause is in the PA, can buyers cite financial reasons for withdrawing from sale?
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4081 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:19 am to
Not usually. More specifics would need to be given. But the typical financing contingency clause states that the purchaser has X days to apply for financing once the contract is signed by all parties. Not applying within this time period becomes a breach of contract. Then the purchaser must notify the seller or seller's agent by X time on X date if he does not have a financing commitment. At that time, an extension may be granted by the seller, or the seller can elect to cancel the agreement and all earnest monies are returned to the purchaser. Everybody walks away in relative peace. But if they don't do that, then what you have is a "cash contract".

Unless this is a very poorly written contract/contingency clause, someone simply saying, "I have a financial problem" doesn't cut it. That means nothing. That could be that they found a home they like better and buying this house would be a "financial problem". Who knows? I've had people not submit a requested piece of documentation to the bank in order to kill the financing. Failure to diligently pursue financing is also a breach in my contracts, and the standard contracts in my state. It could be a case of can't get financing or it could be a case of won't get financing. I don't know.

But anyway, is this a private sale or are there agents involved? Is there earnest money involved? You most certainly can sue for performance. But it comes down to how one can judge damages and the likelihood that they can collect. An active home buyer is probably going to settle (pay damages) because the suit essentially kills their ability to get financing to purchase another home. It may be brutal and quick or it may drag out. In the end it comes down to how much you know about the buyer (you should have all pertinent info BEFORE signing the purchase agreement).

As for just letting people willy nilly sign contracts and walk away as they please, no, I don't do that. I can't walk away from a signed contract and sell to a higher bidder two weeks into the game, now can I? But I also try to gauge how much time and money I want to spend pursuing damages in all legal conflicts.

The last one I was involved with, the buyer of an investment property I had kept screwing around, didn't provide all the docs the bank requested, let the contingency expire, it became a cash contract and they ended up having to refinance another investment property that they owned (free & clear) in order to complete the purchase and not wind up in court for breach.

Once all parties put their names on the agreement, it becomes a contract and the terms have to be followed. As long as the terms are legal, the courts will usually interpret it as such and grant relief to whichever party is damaged.

Wherever you stand in this situation, best of luck working it out.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
37024 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 11:59 am to
Good stuff. So you are saying that if financing can't go through, the seller can still force it to become a cash deal? That seems to go against the idea of a financing contingency, right?

I was always under the assumption that if the financing is not committed and completed by a certain date, that the contract voids and all parties go to where they were pre-contact (i.e. return of deposit).

I did have a situation when I sold my house in Texas where I had three cash buyers. About a week before closing, the offer I selected wanted to back out, because of a family issue. We called another buyer and that buyer was still very much wanting the house, so I released the first buyer, returned the deposit, and sold to the second one. I know I did not have to do that, but I felt I should earn some good karma, and it didn't cost me a dime to do that.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20395 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 1:18 pm to
I have only purchased 4 properties, but real estate is corrupt as heck. People lie constantly. Do everything you can on both sides to have legal on your side. As a buyer, put an inspection contingency in there. I would not only have absolutely no issue taking a EMD I'd recommend everyone that could take it. People will try to do everything possible to weasel out of a deal, often times if they are a cash buyer they found a better deal.

I'd never accept an offer without a pre-approval and I'd certainly push the buyer to close as quick as possible and if they are not meeting dates I'd end it ASAP. Certainly talk to buyer2 and if they are still interested move on to them.
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4081 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 4:02 pm to
No, if the financing isn't committed by a certain date and the required notifications are met, then the contract expires without repercussions. The parties *may* agree to extend it, if they so choose, but it's not required. As my contracts have always been written, if no notice is given by the required date, it is assumed that the financing is in place and that the buyers are prepared to close by the agreed upon date. If they can't/won't/don't, then I've never been shy about exercising my legal rights per the terms of the contract.

Some people lie and some people don't take things seriously (leaving the seller or his agent in the dark until it's too late). In my experience, that's usually how unintended cash contracts come to be.

It's not about being unreasonable or a hard arse. But we must all learn to follow the rules... one way or another. Some people:
Posted by Jag_Warrior
Virginia
Member since May 2015
4081 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 4:03 pm to
There ya go.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25397 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 4:10 pm to
What does the sale contingency have to do with the financing, inspection, appraisal, or any other contingency? Whoever wrote that into existence is retarded.

Keep the earnest $. If they balk return $500 because that's what it'll cost to go to court. If they balk either take them to court or return their money and move on.
Posted by blueboxer1119
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2013
7969 posts
Posted on 8/9/16 at 6:17 pm to
Jag_Warrior

I agree with every single thing you said.

Basically, buyers had to remove financial contingency when the contingency (for the sale of their home) was removed. My understanding was that this protects the seller from passing other offers only to be holding the bag if buyer 1 backs out (citing financing).

Ultimately, this catastrophe took this house off the market for 9 weeks during the hottest real estate season of the year. Additionally, more money must be spent on additional yard maintenance, utilities, staging, etc.

I guess my frustration is that I had to pass up a much better offer from buyer 2, per the terms of the contract, only to have buyer 1 take a dump on that contract.

This happens (buyers backing out of PAs) so frequently (6 times in the last 12 months / different houses) it's frustrating. There's pretty much no protection for sellers whatsoever. Before people say a larger deposit should be required, etc., keep in mind it doesn't really matter. Most of the time buyers can get out of a PA with absolutely no penalty.

My agent is seasoned, but I think maybe I should meet with an attorney that specializes in this kind of stuff and start editing particulars in all my PAs.
This post was edited on 8/9/16 at 9:07 pm
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20395 posts
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:15 am to
quote:

My agent is seasoned


In my experience that doesn't mean a whole lot, mainly that just because they are experienced doesn't mean they will take a hardline stance. Many of them are too nice.

Have defined dates and stick to them. If the buyer has an issue tell them to have their bank call you or you are moving on. If a buyer is pre-approved there's no excuse to not close in 30 days. You should be able to close in closer to 25 easy, often times 30 days is the goal but it can be done a couple days early. So if they need to push that deadline there is something wrong which often times means they are scrounging a down payment.
This post was edited on 8/10/16 at 8:16 am
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7215 posts
Posted on 8/10/16 at 8:51 am to
Closing in 25 days with the new closing disclosure is definitely not the norm. I would say the average is 30-35
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20395 posts
Posted on 8/10/16 at 10:46 am to
quote:

Closing in 25 days with the new closing disclosure is definitely not the norm. I would say the average is 30-35


Oh I agree it's not the norm, but at the same time it's possible if the buyer and their bank have their ducks in a row. My point was simply that in my experience pushing the deadline back is more often than not because someone is delaying it on purpose or because of laziness.
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