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Changing jobs: how often is too often
Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 5:49 pm
Worked at previous job for a couple of years. Finished graduate degree recently and took a new position a few months ago. Was so grateful because I searched for a while (state job).
It's just not what I hoped it would be. I'm more of an independent worker and like to take initiative. New office culture is pretty much to do what I'm told and nothing more. No autonomy.
I feel like my intelligence is insulted no matter how many problems I solve or questions I correctly answer. I'm able to teach things to people in higher positions but still talked down to or checked up on constantly. I think having to answer to multiple people is part of my issue.
Maybe this is just part of being new, I'm not sure.
But I'm worried to switch jobs again so soon. I know it looks bad.
Trying to make myself wait a year but it's gonna be hard.
Suggestions appreciated. Thank you.
It's just not what I hoped it would be. I'm more of an independent worker and like to take initiative. New office culture is pretty much to do what I'm told and nothing more. No autonomy.
I feel like my intelligence is insulted no matter how many problems I solve or questions I correctly answer. I'm able to teach things to people in higher positions but still talked down to or checked up on constantly. I think having to answer to multiple people is part of my issue.
Maybe this is just part of being new, I'm not sure.
But I'm worried to switch jobs again so soon. I know it looks bad.
Trying to make myself wait a year but it's gonna be hard.
Suggestions appreciated. Thank you.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 6:08 pm to cfa626
I think it depends on what field you are in (and your qualifications), and if you are switching jobs to move up the ladder, or if your moves are lateral.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 7:48 pm to Epic Cajun
In this economic climate, I'd say 2-3 years is ok. Definitely anything less than 2 years would raise a red flag.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 8:37 pm to Paul Allen
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In this economic climate
It really depends on your field. In my field there are a ton of consultants that take 3-6 month contracts, often times moving to different hospitals after their contract is up. When applying for a full time gig, certifications and experience matter more than the length of time that the person spent at their last job.
If you're certified and don't have 3 heads you can almost pick where you want to work.
I'm probably an outlier, as my field is very specialized, though.
OP, I left my first job out of undergrad after 10 months and my second after 6 months (both moving up the ladder); it hasn't hurt my career at all (quite the opposite actually).
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 8:43 pm to cfa626
Coming out of the military I've had 4 in under 4 years. I have no loyalty to these shite bag companies that laid off thousands. I've gotten more money each time. But I've moved from Alabama to Florida.
This post was edited on 4/26/16 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 4/26/16 at 8:57 pm to Rhino5
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have no loyalty to these shite bag companies
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:16 pm to cfa626
It took me 5 jobs to find the one that was something I could do each day - been with that job for nearly a decade now.
I loved two of my previous jobs but the ceiling was very low. I have to be challenged at work.
I loved two of my previous jobs but the ceiling was very low. I have to be challenged at work.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 9:42 pm to cfa626
If everything else can get you an interview, explain it there. If they are looking for someone like you it helps. If they aren't then you're saved the head ache.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:08 pm to cfa626
I had back to back jobs that were 10 months each. My current employer had some concern over it but I had a decent explanation for why each position was taken.
I've been with my current company for 1.5 years and could easily see myself here until retirement.
I've been with my current company for 1.5 years and could easily see myself here until retirement.
Posted on 4/26/16 at 10:17 pm to Croacka
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but I had a decent explanation for why each position was taken.
What was the explanation?
Posted on 4/27/16 at 2:55 am to cfa626
My personal rule of thumb is at least 2 years in a role. This is enough where you can learn the org, shows commitment, and typically provides for enough time to possibly get a promotion. If I leave for a promotion then the timeline could shrink.
The people making lateral moves and not rising up the ladder are red flags.
The people making lateral moves and not rising up the ladder are red flags.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:25 am to Paul Allen
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Definitely anything less than 2 years would raise a red flag.
That's what I'm worried about. It is possible that my same agency could have positions open up that would report to a different supervisor.
I may try to apply for one of those if the opportunity presents itself. That way on down the line, my resume would show that I stayed with the same agency, just took a promotion, rather than went somewhere new altogether.
Main risk with this is, if the hiring manager tells current boss "hey guess who applied for the opening working under someone else instead of you?"
Current boss makes a huge deal of SAYING how great I am, how much I bring to the office. But also won't let me even reply to an email that was sent only to me, without having a meeting about it and rehearsing my words (even though it is a topic I am considered the office expert on).
In my previous role, FWIW, I sent hundreds of e-mails weekly, corresponded with people at all levels, and did just fine. It's just a huge shift to be "moving up the ladder" a bit and have less freedom than ever.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 8:38 am to cfa626
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Main risk with this is, if the hiring manager tells current boss "hey guess who applied for the opening working under someone else instead of you?"
Current boss makes a huge deal of SAYING how great I am, how much I bring to the office. But also won't let me even reply to an email that was sent only to me, without having a meeting about it and rehearsing my words (even though it is a topic I am considered the office expert on).
I had a boss similar to this.
I hated it while it happened, but after I had gained his full trust (6-8 months) he started letting me do more and more without supervision. He was meticulous and detail oriented and it was his way of training me on how he wanted my position done. I would try and play it out a bit longer and see if things start to move in a better direction, or possibly talk to your boss on how you feel.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:44 am to cfa626
The biggest difficulty is making the initial cut for the phone interview. At that point you can explain your situation. The main thing is having a good explanation. For example I quit graduate school after my first semester, but my reasoning behind it was my major professor wasn't up front with his expectations (lab research instead of field research) before I committed to grad school. I was and never will be "cut out" for lab work. I never had any "red flags" thrown because of it.
It seems that people jumping companies every 1-2 years is getting more common by looking at LinkedIn profiles.
The days of committing your entire professional career to a single company are pretty much over. With budget cuts anyone is prone to getting laid off. This has negatively affected employees loyalty to a company.
It seems that people jumping companies every 1-2 years is getting more common by looking at LinkedIn profiles.
The days of committing your entire professional career to a single company are pretty much over. With budget cuts anyone is prone to getting laid off. This has negatively affected employees loyalty to a company.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 10:50 am to cfa626
A single stop that lasted under 2 years is ok. I would just be sure to ask about it.
Multiple jobs lasting under 2 years immediately gets your resume tossed from my pile.
Multiple jobs lasting under 2 years immediately gets your resume tossed from my pile.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 11:13 am to MSMHater
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Multiple jobs lasting under 2 years immediately gets your resume tossed from my pile.
Even if they are at the beginning of their professional career and are moving up the ladder with each jump?
Posted on 4/27/16 at 11:21 am to Epic Cajun
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Even if they are at the beginning of their professional career and are moving up the ladder with each jump?
No, you're right. I was speaking of lateral moves where you have the same job at multiple companies. If there is obvious career progression within those moves they will be given consideration.
But is that what the OP is doing?
Posted on 4/27/16 at 3:16 pm to cfa626
If you're switching jobs every two years then your new employer will invest just enough in you to keep you for a couple of years.
Posted on 4/27/16 at 7:43 pm to MSMHater
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If there is obvious career progression within those moves they will be given consideration.
But is that what the OP is doing?
Have not taken a lateral move and don't plan to. Current job (first new position since finishing graduate school) was several thousand dollar increase. Next logical position would be about $5k more or so.
Would be at same agency, just different management. Not looking to change agencies, very large place with lots of opportunity.
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