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Any notaries out here?

Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:03 am
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:03 am
I'm just now on the other side of the halfway point for a notarial preparation course. Ever since I was fulltime in the mortgage biz I've always noticed the notary and closing attorney fees and thought it was a nice way to potentially earn some cash for relatively easy work that I was already familiar with on some level.

There's a nice-sized network of folks I can market services to, and I'll be focusing on mobile closing agent-related services.

My goal for the gig is to generate approximately $100/week from the use of my commission within 1 year's time. This is a goal but not the litmus test for success. Even 50-60% of this amount would be fantastic "walking around money".

Is there anyone here on the MT with their commission already? I am guessing there are at least a few attorneys here but obviously their main source of revenue is not their ability to perform notary-related work. But outside of that, can anyone provide insight into the profession?

What were your thoughts on the test? How do you market? Any special niches you participate in? Do you feel like the time/cost in getting your commission was worth it?
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:15 am to
Not a notary, but my better half is (attorney as well). Make sure you always have your stamp/seal...he hits on a surprising amount of business (often very simple stuff) merely by always being prepared. (We live in a smallish town.)
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7222 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:34 am to
I'm thinking of doing the test in December. I know a couple people that took the test this past December. One passed half of it, the other failed both parts. Who are you taking the prep class with?
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16458 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 10:31 am to
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and I'll be focusing on mobile closing agent-related services.


I have a family member who is retired but does this just to keep busy and make some extra money. Pretty easy gig. Simply print out the docs and have them signed, then fedex the docs back.

Making your goal of $100 would be quite easy IMO.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 10:32 am
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:30 am to
quote:

hungryone
quote:

Not a notary, but my better half is (attorney as well). Make sure you always have your stamp/seal...he hits on a surprising amount of business (often very simple stuff) merely by always being prepared. (We live in a smallish town.)


In Louisiana all that's necessary for a notary to execute the duties of his or her office is his signature. A seal is part of the legal requirements for other states, and a lot of people here "feel," better when you seal their documents, but the law here essentially states that, "your signature is your seal," in Louisiana.

Been a really interesting class. Thanks for sharing their experience.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 11:31 am
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15046 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:33 am to
People have all sorts of near-mystical beliefs about the power of a notary stamp.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:35 am to
quote:

LSU1018
quote:

I'm thinking of doing the test in December. I know a couple people that took the test this past December. One passed half of it, the other failed both parts. Who are you taking the prep class with?


I've got heavy experience in the RE Finance Field. In my 20's I collected on mortgages, wrote up legal descriptions and worked on title research for a title company that catered strictly to mortgage companies, then actually originated for several years myself.

I don't know what your background is, but based on the subject matter we've covered since the beginning of the class, as experienced as I felt like I was...I would have absolutely BOMBED the test if I went in to sit for it dry. I would strongly urge you to take a prep course.

Just FYI - This year's "study guide," is over 500 pages.

Not saying you aren't intelligent or anything along those lines. Just saying that it costs money to get registered, to take the pre-assessment, etc. You might as well bone up and study beforehand and spend a little more.

As far as who I'm taking the class with, I am using SLU's Notarial Preparation Course. I looked up on the Secretary of State's website and based on the info there (I'm sure its not 100% accurate), the respondents to the course indicate a passage rate of 75% on the first attempt. This was higher than the LSU Prep Course believe it or not.

On top of that, they teach it at the Literacy and Technology Center in Walker which literally backs up to the cul-de-sac in my neighborhood. I walk to class each Thursday evening.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 11:40 am to
quote:

MikeBRLA
quote:

I have a family member who is retired but does this just to keep busy and make some extra money. Pretty easy gig. Simply print out the docs and have them signed, then fedex the docs back.

Making your goal of $100 would be quite easy IMO.


Thanks for sharing. I think so too. I'd like to think I have some ideas about how to expand things out beyond signing agent for mobile closings, but at a bare minimum I feel like this can help me supplement my income doing something I find really interesting and have some experience with. Which is really and truly my whole goal here.

If I can form a baseline of income, there are plans that could help me grow. There are a few other things I could use as a niche and the referral business opportunity I have is also untapped and filled with potential.

Really kinda excited but first thing is first and that's passing this bear of a test.
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8514 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 12:53 pm to
If I'm not mistaken, the test is much easier now than even when I took it in 2012. They eliminated the written portion (I had to write a will from scratch), so it's not nearly as difficult to prepare. IIRC, 60 multiple choice questions and a10-20 research/short answer questions.

I recently found out about these mobile notary networks that you can join for a small fee- background check is $50 and some will require extra E&O Insurance, which I found for $40/year. Once you register with them and get all your paperwork set, they'll contact you about mortgage closings in your area, and their pay for the job. From there, you either volunteer or skip it, and wait for the next opportunity.

Last week, I brought a gentleman his initial disclosure papers to sign (didn't have to be notarized) and they paid me $40 for less than 1 hour. Tomorrow I have a VA closing, and for that they're paying $85. I have to print the closing packages, which kind of sucks, but overall it seems worth it. Check out NotaryDirect.com and theclosinggroup.biz. Those are the 2 I signed up with. Depending on your flexibility and the number of notaries in your area. $100/week is definitely feasible.
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 12:59 pm
Posted by Neauxla_Tiger
Member since Feb 2015
1877 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:19 pm to
quote:

In Louisiana all that's necessary for a notary to execute the duties of his or her office is his signature. A seal is part of the legal requirements for other states, and a lot of people here "feel," better when you seal their documents, but the law here essentially states that, "your signature is your seal," in Louisiana.


You're correct, but I think there might still be instances when you need the seal. I notarize a few things for my fiance (for free of course ) for her work and the documents always have a designated spot for the seal. I assumed it was because her company is based outside of LA and maybe their law requires it, but I had the seal anyway so I didn't press the issue. They aren't terribly expensive (maybe $100), but it's easy enough to make that money back with it. Plus it makes you look more badass
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 1:46 pm to
Any document with the potential to be used outside the state should have a seal/stamp. SO, that's just about anything you touch. It is SOP to use a seal/stamp, despite the pat answer that LA does not require a seal/stamp.
Posted by LSUGUMBO
Shreveport, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8514 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 2:30 pm to
I busted my arse over the class, studying for the test, then passing it on my first try- I'm getting the seal dammit!
Posted by theOG
Member since Feb 2010
10508 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:13 pm to
i think i'd rather do three years of law school and the bar exam again than study for and take the notary test. good luck!

Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37651 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 4:52 pm to
You make your best money marrying people ... you do not make any money, worth your time, notarizing documents unless you have specific accounts (banks, businesses, etc) that have a need for an outside, well respected, notary with court testimony experience.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27068 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

They aren't terribly expensive (maybe $100), but it's easy enough to make that money back with it. Plus it makes you look more badass


$100? Who ripped you off? I think I paid $25 for mine
This post was edited on 3/14/16 at 6:24 pm
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
2916 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 6:53 pm to
You can get a stamp at office depot. I was an originator and started doing closings. I still do some, but the larger companies charge $150, but only pay you $45. They will pay more, but it is usually extenuating circumstances, last minute, etc.

Most notaries won't do it, because when you travel, print the docs, ink, paper, etc. It isn't worth it at $45. Also, most closings are after hours; in not so nice areas. Think about it, most normal people will take off work, etc. to do something with their home.

You can try to charge it, but most companies won't pay more for travel. I get a notice every day by text or email, they even call me. I was so mad at DOC Pros, I told them don't call me anymore unless $150 is stipulated up front just to deal with them. I really pick and choose, closings takes up so much time.

Also, loan packages are almost 80 to 100 pages, you have to give the customer a copy as well; if the person doesn't read the docs it still takes over an hour. Put that plus travel and printing, you aren't making any money unless you get $100 or more. Also, large companies will hold your money for 30 days or more. They get paid as soon as it is out of recission, but they won't pay the notary for a month or more.

One week I went to every large city in the State, I charged travel on those. If you are in the mortgage business, you know the HUD has to be set prior to closing, so if you are making more money it is coming from the Attorney's fees; meaning title companies are not giving up their money very easily. I've sat at an office on a Friday and closed 5 or 6, but that was because the Attorney wanted Fridays off, those jobs don't occur anymore. Too much competition, too easy to become a notary. I wish you well, but You be spending dollars to make pennies. Also, I have a bond, e&o and other costs, that run me about 4-600 every few years, that is why I do it. Start figuring what ink cost you and you will figure out quick how much money you are losing.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 7:30 pm to
Just FYI - In my OP I indicated I originated, did title work and even did some collections for mortgages in my professional career. I'm well versed with the process and the trials and tribulations.

I also did plenty of research on the issues re: payment turn around times and payment totals. I'm well aware of my overhead and what I consider is worth my time, though I appreciate you sharing your experience. The time investment required is also something I'm okay with.

My network should allow me to earn a nice sum on the side, and I grew up in Rural Livingston Parish so "bad areas," don't phase me all that much. At the end of my day, this is not something I plan to make a career out of. I'd like to use it to supplement my income, not make me or break me paycheck to paycheck.

Thank you for sharing.
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
2916 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:29 pm to
FYI, in my post I acknowledged you originated. There was a ention if notary networks and I gave you a breakdown. I was trying to tell you what you should look forward to and be aware of, what to avoid. But hey; if you know it all, why the hell did you post on a message board.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 8:45 pm to
quote:

tiger94gop
quote:

was a ention if notary networks and I gave you a breakdown. I was trying to tell you what you should look forward to and be aware of, what to avoid. But hey; if you know it all, why the hell did you post on a message board.


You seem mad. So pardon me for not really interacting with you from here on out.
Posted by Jimmy2shoes
The South
Member since Mar 2014
11004 posts
Posted on 3/14/16 at 9:17 pm to
Travel to unknown locations and going into strangers homes plus print costs for less than $100 a pop? Remind me to not become a mobile notary.
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