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Any legal recourse?
Posted on 8/17/16 at 7:23 am
Posted on 8/17/16 at 7:23 am
House flooded roughly 7' up. Renters insurance company said no entry until they can be there in a few days. Meanwhile, as owner of the home, I have contractor lined up to begin cleanup and reconstruction. Dehumidifiers bought can't even be used yet. Can I sue the insurance company for damages? Do I have any legal recourse? Very frustrating...
Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:28 am to Milesahead
So you own the home and the renters' insurance is telling you you can't enter the home you own? I'm not sure about suing them, but you have legal domain over the property and can enter it any time you like I would think. If you like your renters though, I'd probably just suck it up as their insurance may deny part of the claim if things are disturbed.
Is your insurance involved in any way? You would have some rights to subrogation if you can prove additional damage occurred while waiting for the renters insurance to inspect.
Is your insurance involved in any way? You would have some rights to subrogation if you can prove additional damage occurred while waiting for the renters insurance to inspect.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:32 am to Milesahead
I would take good videos and pictures of the place and do what you have to do. I've seen what mold and water can do sitting a few days and I wouldn't wait. Your cost to fix your house could go up quickly and I would be surprised with that damage if the renters stay anyway.
That is an issue between the renters and their insurance company and I would tell them to take it up with them. It is one thing to wait a day, but I wouldn't wait that long to gut mine and get it drying out.
That is an issue between the renters and their insurance company and I would tell them to take it up with them. It is one thing to wait a day, but I wouldn't wait that long to gut mine and get it drying out.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:34 am to Milesahead
Insurance company can't tell you what you can or can't do with your property. If your property needs to be cleaned up and restored then do it. It's the renter's job to document their damages and make the claim under their policy. Photos/videos/receipts should be sufficient, especially given these circumstances.
This post was edited on 8/17/16 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/17/16 at 8:46 am to Jon Ham
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Insurance company can't tell you what you can or can't do with your property. If your property needs to be cleaned up and restored then do it. It's the renter's job to document their damages and make the claim under their policy. Photos/videos/receipts should be sufficient, especially given these circumstances.
Yeah, but the insurance company also likes to send its own folks/investigators/adjusters to inspect and take photos to so they can write estimates
Posted on 8/17/16 at 9:04 am to HailToTheChiz
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Yeah, but the insurance company also likes to send its own folks/investigators/adjusters to inspect and take photos to so they can write estimates
I get that's what they like to do, but if they don't have the capacity or resources to get someone out there within 48 hours of the flooding then it's not on the property owner to accommodate their schedule. Property owner's right to mitigate his damages and restore property > renter's insurance company right to inspect untouched premises a week after flooding incident.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 9:09 am to Jon Ham
I agree. And in my experience as a contractor working with insurance companies, it's in the best interest of your tenant's also. I've had more trouble getting the full amount out of those that insist on coming. It is a cost saving measure for the insurance company.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 9:16 am to Jon Ham
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Property owner's right to mitigate his damages and restore property > renter's insurance company right to inspect untouched premises a week after flooding incident.
Well sure. I agree with mitigating the damage, but I would not restore anything until the insurance checked it out.
That is just so they do not have any reason to try and screw you.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 9:29 am to HailToTheChiz
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I would not restore anything until the insurance checked it out.
This isn't OP's insurance, it is his tenant's renters insurance.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 11:57 am to Milesahead
I'm not offering legal advice (just to be clear), but my leases are written in a way that should there be some sort of damage to the property (a sink or bathtub running over, a range fire, etc.), all I have to do is give written notice to the tenant. They're given the option of walking through with me so that an inspection can be performed, or after 24 hours, I can legally go in, no matter what, to inspect the property.
As far as suing the insurance company, I don't know about that. I haven't dealt with this exact situation before. But I'm not aware that they have the legal right to bar you from your property anyway. Do you have some sort of written correspondence from this insurance company? The lease agreement is between you and the tenant. What does your lease say about how and when you can enter the property?
As far as suing the insurance company, I don't know about that. I haven't dealt with this exact situation before. But I'm not aware that they have the legal right to bar you from your property anyway. Do you have some sort of written correspondence from this insurance company? The lease agreement is between you and the tenant. What does your lease say about how and when you can enter the property?
Posted on 8/17/16 at 12:00 pm to Milesahead
if its 7 ft of water there's nothing left, tell Tennant get what they want out, then you go clean it out.
The longer it sits the worse it is, but also at 7 ft it's a full gut including ceilings so it's not like your trying to save anything.
The longer it sits the worse it is, but also at 7 ft it's a full gut including ceilings so it's not like your trying to save anything.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 1:09 pm to Milesahead
I assume the renter had flood contents coverage?
If it's 7 feet, it's going to be a very quick inspection for the renter's insurance. Likely they will just write a check for policy max and move on (this is what happened in Katrina in these situations).
The renter's insurance company can't override your rights as owner, and understand, those rights should be spelled out in the lease with the tenant. The only time in my life I rented a house, there was a clause that said in case of property damage, the owner had right to enter the house and begin repairs within 24 hours of safe entry.
I would go in with your tenant, have them take a ton of pictures and video of everything, take all the contents and put them on the front and back lawn, and get to work on gutting.
If it's 7 feet, it's going to be a very quick inspection for the renter's insurance. Likely they will just write a check for policy max and move on (this is what happened in Katrina in these situations).
The renter's insurance company can't override your rights as owner, and understand, those rights should be spelled out in the lease with the tenant. The only time in my life I rented a house, there was a clause that said in case of property damage, the owner had right to enter the house and begin repairs within 24 hours of safe entry.
I would go in with your tenant, have them take a ton of pictures and video of everything, take all the contents and put them on the front and back lawn, and get to work on gutting.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 2:00 pm to Milesahead
You're required to have insurance as well. Give your insurance company a call.
Posted on 8/17/16 at 5:22 pm to Milesahead
Thanks for the responses. Whether it was just dumb luck or my persuasive argument, I facilitated entry into the home to start demolition. There could be blow back later but I think I am in the clear. Thanks again.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 7:17 am to Milesahead
Just document everything in case your tenant looks to you to pay what the insurance company won't. Lots of pictures.
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