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After maxing out an SEP IRA and Roth IRA...

Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:49 pm
Posted by jsquardjj
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:49 pm
I am self employed and have maxed out these two accounts for the year. Both are with Vanguard, spread through a few different funds.

Where do I put further retirement savings? Can I just add them to the current accounts that I have, knowing that the additional money will not have a tax shelter, or do I need to create another account all together. Are there any other accounts that offer tax breaks for retirement savings that I should utilize?

Sorry if a stupid question.

Posted by white perch
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:53 pm to
frick dude, that's a lot of money saved. go to vagas and live at little, you know, hooker and blow and such

Posted by Janky
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 1:57 pm to
You can contribute to a HSA.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

Can I just add them to the current accounts that I have, knowing that the additional money will not have a tax shelter, or do I need to create another account all together


If you're maxed out with these vehicles, I would consider other alternatives.

If you are really trying to keep your long-term tax liability down, I'd recommend tax free munis. If you want long-term capital appreciation, investment real estate is an excellent option.

Or, blue chip stocks with dividend reinvestment is another way to go - despite their tremendous salespeople's efforts - and their obvious long-term benefits, mutual funds are not the 'only' game in town.
This post was edited on 7/30/15 at 2:12 pm
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 2:20 pm to
You can also look in to using a solo 401(k) in the future instead of a SEP and you can put more away depending on income.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/30/15 at 6:37 pm to
Get a solo 401k.
You can put 18000 plus 20% of net profit

Fidelity runs mine.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10266 posts
Posted on 7/30/15 at 7:03 pm to
I believe it's actually 25% of your salary that can by contributed by the company as a "match". In addition to the $18k.

Kicker is you can't have any employees.
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 7:10 am to
I think it is 25% of w-2 income and 20% of 1099 income.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:26 am to
Gotcha.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84893 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 9:29 am to
Ace Midnight offered some good suggestions, although I do not understand the muni bond recommendation in today's climate.

This is a pretty good article from Schwab that discusses different strategies, particularly the use of tax-efficient investments in taxable accounts, and inefficient investments in qualified accounts.

LINK

Additionally, some of the automated investment services offer Tax Loss Harvesting that increases the tax efficiency in your taxable accounts. Check out Betterment.com or other services.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:07 pm to
Check out the solo 401 and also the HSA. Both are solid.

If you're able to max all of those, then if you have kids maybe a tax-exempt education fund too.

But somewhere along the way you can do what I eventually did. I decided that if I'm saving that much money I can afford to spend anything above that amount on something frivolous. Hookers and blow, if you will.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 7/31/15 at 12:17 pm to
quote:

I believe it's actually 25% of your salary that can by contributed by the company as a "match". In addition to the $18k.

I'm setting one up this week. You can go up to $53,000 max. Your "employee" contribution of $18k plus your company match 25% or $35k.

Which I had done this sooner, have been doing Roth for the last couple years when I should have been doing pre tax. But I just set up my S-Corp from having an LLC for the last few years so it's all coming together
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 7/31/15 at 8:32 pm to
I will also add to my previous ideas that tax advantaged accounts are great but once you get into retirement you want some non-qualified assets as well. That way you can draw some income that is income taxable and some that is capital gains taxable. You can always manage the taxable assets in a tax efficient manner. Plus if you need some cash for something quick before retirement it is there for you. You are already ahead of the game. Good luck.
Posted by RoyBoy2323
Slabtown
Member since Oct 2004
3111 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 8:34 am to
Who set your SEP and roth IRA up? I really need to jump on that asap.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48953 posts
Posted on 8/2/15 at 9:40 am to
Can you explain the sep?

Do you basically have to own your own business to open one?
Posted by Janky
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/2/15 at 12:29 pm to
Any contract or 1099 income can be used for a SEP.
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