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Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:14 pm
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
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Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:14 pm
I have an ongoing debate with a friend about how much cash you can deposit without being flagged. I say the threshold is $10,000.00. I happened to be in my neighborhood Chase branch this morning and quizzed one of the officers nearby. I offered these 2 hypotheticals...

Hypothetical #1) I come into the bank with $9,999 in green cash and a corresponding deposit slip and push it to the teller. What happens? Her reply: We put the cash in your account and give you a receipt.

Hypothetical #2) Same as #1, except I add $1 to the amount. What happens? Her reply: We fill out a report and the transaction is flagged, we deposit the money in your account and give you a receipt. But I wouldn't do the $9,999 deposit either because we look at that too. They might not like it.

My next question to her was (respectfully), "Who is it that doesn't like it and why don't they like it?" She never could come up with a straight answer. The only thing she could offer was that I wanted to stay away from patterns that might look suspicious. BTW, I do understand that the purpose of the $10k flag is to detect money laundering, so no lectures on that.

That still left a question in my mind. If less than $10k is ok - by bank regulations - then why is it at the same time "suspicious"? Who deems it suspicious? Now I'm not naive enough to think that the IRS doesn't sniff around bank transactions, but it comes across as ambiguous. Does a $9,999 deposit have consequences or not? At what frequency does it become "suspicious"? Inquiring minds want to know.
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 2:18 pm
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16464 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:42 pm to
They are REQUIRED to fill out a form 8300 for transactions over $10K but they MAY fill one out for any transaction that they deem suspicious.
Posted by tigerpawl
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Posted on 2/11/17 at 2:56 pm to
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They are REQUIRED to fill out a form 8300 for transactions over $10K
That has always been my understanding. What constitutes suspicious?
This post was edited on 2/11/17 at 2:58 pm
Posted by LSU1018
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
7222 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:03 pm to
I would think most 9,999 deposits get flagged as well.
Posted by Walking the Earth
Member since Feb 2013
17260 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

What constitutes suspicious?


Coming in with 9,999 dollars.
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
10599 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:07 pm to
quote:

They are REQUIRED to fill out a form 8300 for transactions over $10K but they MAY fill one out for any transaction that they deem suspicious.


simple as that, and $9999 is suspicious just b/c it looks like you are trying to stay under the autoflag
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22311 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:13 pm to
quote:

What constitutes suspicious?
quote:

Coming in with 9,999 dollars.

My question is this: What's the point of the $10k threshold when amounts under $10k are also subject to being flagged? Is it totally arbitrary on the part of the bank? Guidelines?
Posted by Blastoise
Seattle, WA
Member since Feb 2010
1783 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:21 pm to
quote:

My question is this: What's the point of the $10k threshold when amounts under $10k are also subject to being flagged? Is it totally arbitrary on the part of the bank? Guidelines?


Totally arbitrary. I worked as a teller for a few years when I was younger. If you notice people routinely depositing slightly less than $10k in an effort to avoid a CTR report, we were encouraged to fill out a SAR - Suspicious Activity Report. These went straight to the IRS. I filled out probably 2-3/month.
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4493 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:28 pm to
quote:

My next question to her was (respectfully), "Who is it that doesn't like it and why don't they like it?" She never could come up with a straight answer.


Bank regulators due to regulations. Ever heard of the OCC bro?
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18770 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:37 pm to
Structuring cash deposits to avoid the reporting requirement is a federal crime, and people do get prosecuted for it.

quote:

But the Bank Secrecy Act also requires banks to report to the federal government any activity from customers that might be construed as structuring deposits to avoid the reporting requirement. So if you have $100,000 to deposit in your bank account, and you deliberately choose to deposit that money in increments of $9,999 so your bank won’t automatically notify the federal government, you’re guilty of structuring. It’s a felony punishable by a fine and/or up to five years in prison.

Your bank is also required to report any suspicious activity by its customers. Moreover, your bank is prohibited from letting you know that it has reported you to the government. Banks that fail to sufficiently police their customers or banks that notify customers that they’ve been reported for suspicious deposits risk financial sanctions. Bank personnel found to have neglected their duties to report suspicious customer behavior can also be criminally charged and sent to prison. So there’s quite a bit of incentive for your bank to give you up, and to cast a wide net around what constitutes “suspicious activity.” There’s lots of risk in under-policing for structuring, and virtually no risk of losing customers due to a policy of over-reporting them to the government. Most customers will never know.


Washington Post
Posted by Shepherd88
Member since Dec 2013
4587 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:45 pm to
Take it to the casino, play a few hands. Cash out with a certified check.. straight from hell or high water.
Posted by TigerDeBaiter
Member since Dec 2010
10266 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 3:51 pm to
quote:

My question is this: What's the point of the $10k threshold when amounts under $10k are also subject to being flagged? Is it totally arbitrary on the part of the bank? Guidelines?


It's called discretion. Now,

Posted by tokenBoiler
Lafayette, Indiana
Member since Aug 2012
4415 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 5:49 pm to
quote:

I happened to be in my neighborhood Chase branch this morning and quizzed one of the officers nearby. I offered these 2 hypotheticals...


It doesn't really matter any more for you -- you've already put yourself on "the list".
Posted by BigD13
French Settlement La
Member since Sep 2013
2513 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:02 pm to
Never deposit your cash!

If I had 10k in cash I would pay 2500 cash a week towards the principal of my mortgage or any other note.
Posted by Croacka
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2008
61441 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:04 pm to
I deposited 15K the other day in cash to pay off a loan after I sold a vehicle

What does the form they fill out mean to me in the long run?

I never really deposit cash but this was a large sum.
Posted by poops_at_parties
Member since Jan 2016
1545 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:13 pm to
What if it's a check for 10k? Same procedure?
Posted by Tiger4Ever
Member since Aug 2003
36702 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:34 pm to
Avoiding a CTR is just retarded unless you're up to some shady shite. CTRs are nothing more than a paper trail stored in a database for future use.

A SAR on the other hand, from trying to avoid a CTR, will be reviewed by various financial crimes folks.
Posted by Blastoise
Seattle, WA
Member since Feb 2010
1783 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 6:44 pm to
quote:

What if it's a check for 10k? Same procedure?


Nah, it's only with cash. You might get a hold placed on your check, but there are no reports sent to anyone that I am aware of.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
18770 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 7:28 pm to
quote:

What does the form they fill out mean to me in the long run?


Nothing. You're good.
Posted by bubbz
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
22817 posts
Posted on 2/11/17 at 8:07 pm to
The CTR is actually triggered when you deposit $10,000.01 10k or less doesn't trigger a CTR. If you came in and deposited $9999, its very likely someone is filling out an SAR on you.

As someone said before, a CTR is nothing but a paper trail. Getting an SAR is a lot worse.
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