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re: You can tell the people who do not understand the ebb and flow of baseball

Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:27 pm to
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:27 pm to
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As long as he's been here, he's never shown a distaste towards small ball. Nor has he ever said as much.


He absolutely has shown that he's not a small ball coach. He prefers to let his players swing it if at all possible.



Posted by Slapouttiger
alabama
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:29 pm to
Bunting sucks. If team makes it all the way it's because we swung away
Posted by RB10
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:32 pm to
I like CPM and I'm not trying to say he should be fired or anything like that. I actually hate bunting unless it is to move runners to tie or win a game in the late innings. I don't have a problem with him letting the players swing it unless it's a game winning or tying situation and the DP is in play. That's a time you do what ever it takes to scratch a run across.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 6:33 pm
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:35 pm to
Thanks for the clarity
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20443 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:39 pm to
The situation Fri night was a tailor made bunting situation. Anyway, it's already done. On to the next opponent. I hope we sweep the Aggies because they're already talking shite.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:42 pm to
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The team and the coaching staff have been making mental mistakes all season long. Hopefully this series loss was a wakeup call for them. You can't keep making bonehead mistakes and continue to win baseball games.



This sounds like every other season. Seems like LSU always seems to hire coaches with the same mindset--stubborn streak with a refusal to learn from past mistakes.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:44 pm to
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This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 6:45 pm
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20443 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:45 pm to
I bet yall picked on him as soon as he started talking
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:51 pm to
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I bet yall picked on him as soon as he started talking


well, we was southun baws, and he was from Dade County
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158756 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 6:52 pm to
Who are these gods of baseball and why are they such dicks?
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 7:31 pm to
Some peons don't "get" baseball. Such a shame.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
158756 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 7:35 pm to
Takes an educated fan to know those national championship teams did not finish undefeated, I had always figured they did. That's why baseball is the sport of kings, you must be a wise man to follow it.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 7:36 pm
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:05 pm to
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You know what else is baseball? Not burning your closer on Friday night for no goddamn reason and bunting in the bottom of the 11th in a tie ballgame with runners on 1st and 2nd with no outs.


One of, if not the biggest myth in baseball. That bunting runners to 2nd and 3rd and giving up an out actually helps run production. You can't argue the stats. And the stats say that swinging away is more productive that moving the runners.

Expected runs for no outs with runners at 1st and 2nd average 1.8. Average runs for 2nd and 3rd with one out is 1.5. Go with the numbers.

Eta: these are the numbers for MLB. They are a little different than NCAA, but the point still applies. Can't find the NCAA stat sheet on it now.

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This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 9:13 pm
Posted by lsutigers1992
Member since Mar 2006
25317 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:28 pm to
So if I show up at work late tomorrow, do a really crappy job, and miss a deadline, I can just go up to my boss and say "well, the Work Gods just weren't on my side today. You shouldn't hold that against me because the percentages say that I probably won't screw up again tomorrow," and everything will be okay?
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 9:39 pm
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:42 pm to
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He absolutely has shown that he's not a small ball coach. He prefers to let his players swing it if at all possible.


And he's wrong
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4743 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:44 pm to
What in the actual frick are you talking about? That has to be in the top 10 dumbest replies to a post I have seen on the rant...and holy shite...that's saying something. I said zero about the coaching job done. Simply that bunting with no outs to move runners over hurts production.

And I'm no HR guru, but I'm betting if you're the kind of fricking load that shows up late, missed deadlines, and does crappy work, the percentages would probably show you're inclined to do the same again.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84985 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:48 pm to
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Expected runs for no outs with runners at 1st and 2nd average 1.8. Average runs for 2nd and 3rd with one out is 1.5. Go with the numbers.
You aren't very good at understanding stats are you?

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That bunting runners to 2nd and 3rd and giving up an out actually helps run production.
This isn't about scoring as many runs as possible... it's about 1 run... just one.

It's not surprising that hitting away would increase the average vs. bunting and taking an out. It's much more likely you get a multiple-run inning. But when you need just 1 run, it's better to take the out and get the 1 run... because, you know, that's all you need to win.

Basically, your stat doesn't factor in those scenarios where 1 run wins the game. Because that will only lower the overall average for the bunting case.

What you really want to know is how often bunting generates any runs vs how often hitting away generates any runs. That's all that matters in a late-inning tie game. Averages don't mean shite.
This post was edited on 3/29/15 at 9:50 pm
Posted by We Will Win Again
Member since Aug 2014
81 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:49 pm to
It's the same bunch of lunatics that absolutely cannot accept a defeat in any sport at any time as if God, Himself, has ordained it that LSU should never lose and all of our opponents are just predisposed to be slaughtered. Thus, if we do, then it's somebody's damn fault. It's a coach or player that cost us a victory and is causing the entire world to laugh in scorn at us for losing.

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84985 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:52 pm to
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It's a coach or player that cost us a victory
That's typically how it works... actually, that's always how it works... of course, they often facilitate wins too. It works both ways. We just talk about it more when it's the former. You don't have to exaggerate.
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
4743 posts
Posted on 3/29/15 at 9:54 pm to
Not even sure what you are getting at regarding my being good at stats. I posted what the statisticians came up with. You produce more runs by not bunting.

But you are 100% correct. Just needing the one run, as was the case, puts an entirely different spin on it. My post wasn't addressing that at all, and as such, clouded the issue and ignored situations...it was just a general statement about bunting vs swinging away. Just so happened to be a topic me and a couple buddies were talking about earlier and the thought was still fresh in my head. Should have paid more attention to the timing of throwing it out there.
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