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Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:49 am to Choctaw
quote:Man I know people like to say this but our compliance department doesnt mess around with this. If you put a drug policy in place, you are forced to enforce it or face Major Ncaa penalties
trust me...if Miles had wanted it swept under the rug to keep Mathieu on the team...it would've been swept under the rug
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:51 am to catholictigerfan
quote:Agreed. Mainly because of #1 (rape, sexual assault, or battery). Compounding issues would put him on the brink in my mind however. The crap leg shoplifting may have done it even if it was a misdemeanor because he's a QB (expected to be a leader).
I don't think so
1) he was never convicted of rape
2) verbal abuse wasn't that bad.
3) he hasn't be charged with anything else yet.
4) the disciplinary hearing happens all the time in a university it isn't that big of a deal. But the media is on him like a hawk.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:53 am to snow517
Ryan P was also into a lot more than came public
He was constantly hanging with a group of big-time drug dealers (far worse than the crowd Tryann got knocked for hanging with) so it wouldn't surprise me if there were some other things Les knew about before making his decision
He was constantly hanging with a group of big-time drug dealers (far worse than the crowd Tryann got knocked for hanging with) so it wouldn't surprise me if there were some other things Les knew about before making his decision
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:56 am to snow517
If the rape allegations happened in BR, I don't think it would have been swept under the rug like they were in Tallahassee. I think there would have been a more firm legal resolution on it, which would have give Miles the ammo to cut him or explain why he didn't.
All the other knuckleheadedness by Jameis would not be enough for Miles to kick him off the team as long as he's handling his responsbilities to the team. He would have missed playing time. That's about it.
I guess what I'm saying is that if Miles were at FSU, Jameis might have missed more playing time than what Jimbo has dished out, but he'd still be on the team.
All the other knuckleheadedness by Jameis would not be enough for Miles to kick him off the team as long as he's handling his responsbilities to the team. He would have missed playing time. That's about it.
I guess what I'm saying is that if Miles were at FSU, Jameis might have missed more playing time than what Jimbo has dished out, but he'd still be on the team.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:57 am to snow517
quote:
I say yes and I look at Ryan P. being dismissed for less. One reason I really respect our coach.
He Be Long Gone by now
Posted on 10/16/14 at 9:57 am to lsupride87
quote:
If you put a drug policy in place, you are forced to enforce it or face Major Ncaa penalties
i thought drug policy enforcement was strictly up to the school
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:00 am to snow517
I sure hope he would've
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:00 am to Choctaw
quote:Nope. Having one is up to the school, but once they put one in they have to enforce it or it is a violation.
i thought drug policy enforcement was strictly up to the school
ETA: That is why multiple schools dont have one. Oregon didnt have one until 2012. They only put one in place because they were taking so much heat for not doing it
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 10:07 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:02 am to snow517
No
Posted on 10/16/14 at 10:14 am to lsupride87
ahhh....gotcha. now that i think about it, im not sure A&M has one
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 10:16 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:02 am to lsupride87
quote:i could be wrong but im under the impression that this is still some weird grey area. as this espn article says...
Having one is up to the school, but once they put one in they have to enforce it or it is a violation.
Alabama allows the athletic director, head coach and its Sports Medicine Committee to determine what, if any, penalty is warranted after a first positive test. The second means the athlete will be sidelined for 15 percent of the season and/or a suspension of up to 30 days, and the third a one-year ban from games.
and they only test when the ncaa forces them to, and only for the drugs required, nothing more. we actually have the policy but we test for essentially everything (and i really wish we'd stop).
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:04 am to snow517
Odd , another prediction. Would les eat grass at any other football field?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:09 am to MastrShake
quote:The only rule is you have to follow your own policy. So whatever Bamas policy states there, they must follow it. It looks like they get discretion on the first test, which is the same at LSU
Alabama allows the athletic director, head coach and its Sports Medicine Committee to determine what, if any, penalty is warranted after a first positive test. The second means the athlete will be sidelined for 15 percent of the season and/or a suspension of up to 30 days, and the third a one-year ban from games.
and they only test when the ncaa forces them to, and only for the drugs required, nothing more. we actually have the policy but we test for essentially everything (and i really wish we'd stop).
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:19 am to ZekeTheTeke
quote:
We've seen him put up with more from people with far less talent than JW
We've seen him allow someone to continue playing after being accused of rape, standing up on a table and yelling "frick her right in the pussy", and get caught stealing crab legs from a supermarket?
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:33 am to lsupride87
quote:well, they don't. this is Auburns policy:
The only rule is you have to follow your own policy.
First failed test- None
Second failed test- 50 percent of games (six games)
Third failed test- dismissal.
the highly respected reporters at bleacher report graded this policy as a B+
only problem is Auburns 2010 title team had between 12 and 24 players repeatedly fail tests for spice (synthetic weed), and they simply never reported any of them, including:
"In the most extreme case, freshman tight end Dakota Mosley, tested positive for the drug seven weeks in a row but was never punished."
this is why the NCAA stripped their title. oh wait, no, sorry, i meant to say, "and yet the NCAA didn't do a fricking thing."
This post was edited on 10/16/14 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:34 am to lsupride87
quote:
Also, Miles had no choice with Matthieu. He failed his third school drug test which is a mandatory year at LSU. There was zero he could do there, the ball wasnt in Miles' court
Therein lies the rub. Les' hand was forced by the university in the Mathieu case and may have been so in the RP case.
While people want to claim he was only charged with the ID thing, there is no doubt that RP was involved in criminal activity multiple times at LSU and failed drug tests.
Now, whether Miles kicked him off on his own volition or the matter was out of his hands like with Mathieu is up for debate.
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:36 am to Choctaw
quote:
trust me...if Miles had wanted it swept under the rug to keep Mathieu on the team...it would've been swept under the rug
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:36 am to MastrShake
quote:Well, first, we have to assume that is true. Second, spice was not banned yet by the Ncaa until 2011. So he didnt actually fail anything
yet their 2010 title team had between 12 and 24 players repeatedly fail tests for spice (synthetic weed), including:
"In the most extreme case, freshman tight end Dakota Mosley, tested positive for the drug seven weeks in a row but was never punished."
Posted on 10/16/14 at 11:41 am to MastrShake
quote:
is is why the NCAA stripped their title. oh wait, no, sorry, i meant to say, "and yet the NCAA didn't do a fricking thing."
Was synthetic weed considered a banned substance in their policy? If not they may have tested for it, but not punished for it.
I am not defending the NCAA, but LSU was technically on probation and thus under higher scrutiny in 2011 and 2012 when Mathieu was kicked off. That is why you saw the admin, and not Les, being harder on things.
If you remember, LSU was on probation for its first major violation in 20+ years.
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