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re: Why should we cut Cam loose?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:05 pm to RuLSU
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:05 pm to RuLSU
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Cam stunk in the NFL.
From 2002-2006, he served as the offensive coordinator for the San Diego Chargers. In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL that year and the third-most in team history.
Following the 2004 campaign, Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year. In 2005, the Chargers averaged 26.1 points per game - good for fifth in the NFL in that category.
In 2006, the Chargers offense amassed a team-record 494 points while paving the way for league MVP LaDainian Tomlinson to break the single-season touchdown record. In addition to Tomlinson, Cameron had the opportunity to work with Pro Bowl quarterbacks Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, as well as All-Pro tight end Antonio Gates in San Diego.
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:13 pm to WalkingTurtles
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He can call a good game with a good QB, but he can't make a good QB.
He coached everyone of these guys as rookies. I'm sure they came into the NFL all ready to roll especially Flacco who came out of Delaware.
And this guy as a freshman
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 10:18 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:16 pm to RuLSU
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Cam stunk in the NFL.
He really didn't, though.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:17 pm to lsu2006
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He really didn't, though.
Shhh.....Don't ruin it for him just yet.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:25 pm to LSUBadger
You couldn't explain Cams offense to a 5 year old
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:26 pm to LSUBadger
Miles isn't changing shite. Did you hear his cocky answer to that question?
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:28 pm to LSUBadger
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If every throw is designed to go way down field
To be fair, at his roots, Cameron is more of an Air Coryell, deep seam attacking style than any of his predecessors - which lends credence to the suggestion that Miles has surrendered more control of the playcalling.
The quandary that Miles and Cameron face is one of divergence. High schools do not produce nearly as many of the 6'3", 220 pound 3-step, 5-step drop back passers. Why? They're all running the spread. Hanny and Risher hit on this last night and they're right.
Most of the kids we get spend 3 or 4 years as QBs taking 80, 90 percent of their snaps in the shotgun or pistol - read handoffs even on most running plays. They're usually under center only situationally - late in the game with a lead, very short yardage, etc.
So, we get kids who run offenses like this and put them under center, in the I, 75 (or more) percent of the time. They just don't have enough reps with it. In the shotgun or pistol, you start the play facing the defense and making the first read. In a 3-step, you're almost 1 full second into the protection before you make the first read.
You ever wonder why 2-minute offenses look so crisp? This is part of the reason (along with the defense being willing to trade space for time). The QB is literally 1 second faster than he was in the base offense.
So - now the crossroad question will be - Will Miles and whatever offensive staff he settles on get a big, slow footed, but quick minded/quick releasing QB to run their base offense and dabble with dual threats as backups/change of pace guys, or will he institute some form of a base spread or read style offense that is all the rage now?
I mean, it's not like people aren't running out of it all over the place - he can't be stuck on it because of that, right?
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:54 pm to Ace Midnight
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High schools do not produce nearly as many of the 6'3", 220 pound 3-step, 5-step drop back passers. Why? They're all running the spread.
You are correct that most high school kids are running the spread but you just described what Cam actually is looking for. I really believe that Cam & Miles seem to be looking for 2 totally different styles of quarterbacks.
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"We want a pocket-mobile guy, but not a run-first guy. We want someone who's tough, smart and can throw the ball like Zach Mettenberger, someone with a strong arm who's innately accurate."
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So - now the crossroad question will be - Will Miles and whatever offensive staff he settles on get a big, slow footed, but quick minded/quick releasing QB to run their base offense and dabble with dual threats as backups/change of pace guys, or will he institute some form of a base spread or read style offense that is all the rage now?
I get what you saying but here's the thing. Cam has already shown he can tweak his offense around a mobile, run first QB. The question is, what has prevented him from doing so while at LSU?
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Posted on 11/29/15 at 10:56 pm to LSUBadger
To save money. He has no QB to work with and he's, well you know....
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:03 pm to lsu2006
The reason that Cam was fired was because the Raven's offense was too predictable. They fired the OC during the season and won the title after. Why do you think he was fired?
We have ~3 NFL running backs and ~4 NFL WR's (right now) and you are asking WHY cut Cam loose? This is very simple. If Cam is running the offense then he's failing and needs to be replaced. If Les has been running the offense, he fricked his good friend out of a job. It's one or the other.
If Harris can't effectively check down to a 2nd option he shouldn't be playing. If our coaches were designing schemes to suit individual skill-sets, you would see a more dynamic offense from year to year. We see the same thing every year...force our shite offense onto the QB.
I'm glad Miles gets another chance but his responses after the game have me very concerned that he won't change. Even the sportscasters who were defending him before the Alleva announcement were again questioning him 5 minutes after his post game interview. Everyone knows that Les shouldn't be involved in the offense except Les. Maybe he learned a lesson and maybe he didn't. He got very close to the fire and I hope it motivates him to change. If doing it his way is more important than doing it the best way...he won't last much longer. I hope he wakes up.
We have ~3 NFL running backs and ~4 NFL WR's (right now) and you are asking WHY cut Cam loose? This is very simple. If Cam is running the offense then he's failing and needs to be replaced. If Les has been running the offense, he fricked his good friend out of a job. It's one or the other.
If Harris can't effectively check down to a 2nd option he shouldn't be playing. If our coaches were designing schemes to suit individual skill-sets, you would see a more dynamic offense from year to year. We see the same thing every year...force our shite offense onto the QB.
I'm glad Miles gets another chance but his responses after the game have me very concerned that he won't change. Even the sportscasters who were defending him before the Alleva announcement were again questioning him 5 minutes after his post game interview. Everyone knows that Les shouldn't be involved in the offense except Les. Maybe he learned a lesson and maybe he didn't. He got very close to the fire and I hope it motivates him to change. If doing it his way is more important than doing it the best way...he won't last much longer. I hope he wakes up.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:07 pm to Tiger79
he is our OC and we stand by him.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:08 pm to LSUBadger
Les is here for another year (just stipulating). If Cam runs the offense, he needs to be replaced in order to achieve this nebulous yet fool proof "change" everyone wants. If he's not running the offense, then why keep him? It's either a trust or skill issue. Either way, someone who can be trusted to do the job should move in.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:15 pm to TaderSalad
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but I've seen 3 other OC's dial up the same 4 plays every game.
Ok either you are counting Jimbo or you are counting Krag
Either way you are a fricking moron.
Also go actually watch the fricking offense when Crowton was here. We didn't run toss dive the first 6 years of Les' time at LSU. We haven't run weak side option since crown left.
People are fricking morons.
Miles probably meddles, but its the OC's offense. Cam is the one with 0 fricking cross routes in his playbook. We also used to run fricking slants all the fricking tim in 2013.
shite we ran WR like there were going out of style before we canned Crowton.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:19 pm to evangelfan
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Exactly! Even with Crowton, there was ZERO resemblance of a Crowton offense here. It was bizzare!
2007 wasn't exactly a rush heavy offense. We ran a good bit because we were good at it but we passed quite a bit too.
Hell 2008 was FULL of passing, to a fault. We ran a ton of slants and screens that ended up in pick 6's. That was the turning point IMO. Since then it has been pretty one dimensional.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:24 pm to LSUBadger
Lmao no he didn't. He and flacco butted heads over not letting flacco sling it. And management and coaches chose flacco. But I do agree with Cameron being handcuffed some
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:27 pm to HMTVBrian2
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He got fired in Baltimore for the same shite he does here.
Well that's ignorant. The Ravens offense was top 10 in scoring that year while he was still there. He got fired bc he and john harbaugh had a major personality clash. Try looking at real info before you just say shite.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 11:32 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:36 pm to LSUBadger
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Anybody who has seen his offenses during his career knows this is not his scheme (just like all of the OC during the Miles era)
Omg.
The offense has changed from one coordinator to the next. The run first philosophy is there, just like every coach prior to Miles. With the way this state produces rbs, any one would be a complete dumbfrick to not build LSU around the run game.
But this offense is cams. It is very similar to the air coryell offense. We just don't execute it very well.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:39 pm to dgnx6
So Louisiana doesn't produce any WRs then I guess..... Hmm, I think OBjr might disagree.
This post was edited on 11/29/15 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:39 pm to SL Tiger
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The reason that Cam was fired was because the Raven's offense was too predictable. They fired the OC during the season and won the title after. Why do you think he was fired?
Ray Rice :
"It's a tough business and whatever decisions had to be made, I'm definitely not one of the guys who gets involved in personnel, play calling and all that," Rice said. "Like I said, I've never been one to complain about my touches. I've always just understood my role as a playmaker on this team and try to put myself in the best position to make plays.
"I don't think much is going to change right now. You can't change much. He's not going to re-invent the wheel. He knows how to win football games. He's won a lot over his career."
"I thought he was a great coach and he's done a lot for me the last few years," Rice said. "I don't know the pressure of being an offensive coordinator, but I do know the pressure to win, and we've done a lot of winning over the last few years with him. I'm sure he'll get a job elsewhere. I definitely wish the guy the best in his career."
Matt Birk :
"It's not like we changed everything we were doing."
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We have ~3 NFL running backs and ~4 NFL WR's (right now) and you are asking WHY cut Cam loose?
From 2002-2006, he served as the offensive coordinator for the San Diego Chargers. In 2004, San Diego scored 446 points, third-highest in the NFL that year and the third-most in team history.
Following the 2004 campaign, Sports Illustrated named Cameron its Offensive Assistant of the Year. In 2005, the Chargers averaged 26.1 points per game - good for fifth in the NFL in that category.
In 2006, the Chargers offense amassed a team-record 494 points while paving the way for league MVP LaDainian Tomlinson to break the single-season touchdown record.
Posted on 11/29/15 at 11:42 pm to Ace Midnight
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Most of the kids we get spend 3 or 4 years as QBs taking 80, 90 percent of their snaps in the shotgun or pistol - read handoffs even on most running plays. They're usually under center only situationally - late in the game with a lead, very short yardage, etc.
Funny, because Harris doesn't look any better out of the shotgun.
He came here to learn how to play the position, not be stuck in high school. These qbs need to learn how to take snaps from under center. He's had plenty of time to learn that.
I don't think this argument is valid at all.
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