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re: Why is wanting better for LSU football a negative?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:07 pm to nm1230
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:07 pm to nm1230
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There wasn't some HUGE shift in scheme. But there was a shift. Not the same pass routes. More roll outs and designed QB runs.
Thats play calling. Thats not a change in scheme.
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Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:18 pm to SpookeyTiger
I realize they're 29 pages (which is pretty epic), but just a few posts up I clarified what I mean about coaching holding us back.
Now the sentiment you just shared has been echoed about 100 times in this thread and now it's time to put it to bed.
As far as the reality of our program, the last 3 seasons have been above average-good years if you want to compare to 100+ schools, but 8-9 wins will not get you any hardware which is what I believe every fan hopes for.
The small tweaks, and nuances such as sending a player in motion on a fake speed sweep just adds another element to keep the defense off balance. Instead of lining up against everyone and say screw your 9 in the box, we're running it right at you. I just hope these coaches can adjust to the personnel they have over the spring/summer to give our defense more help in 2015.
Now the sentiment you just shared has been echoed about 100 times in this thread and now it's time to put it to bed.
As far as the reality of our program, the last 3 seasons have been above average-good years if you want to compare to 100+ schools, but 8-9 wins will not get you any hardware which is what I believe every fan hopes for.
The small tweaks, and nuances such as sending a player in motion on a fake speed sweep just adds another element to keep the defense off balance. Instead of lining up against everyone and say screw your 9 in the box, we're running it right at you. I just hope these coaches can adjust to the personnel they have over the spring/summer to give our defense more help in 2015.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 4:30 pm to JaxTiger10
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hats play calling. Thats not a change in scheme.
Gotcha. Thanks.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 6:24 pm to ItsThatDude12
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I just hope these coaches can adjust to the personnel they have over the spring/summer to give our defense more help in 2015.
But you have your doubts?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:01 pm to ItsThatDude12
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most threads I read where someone discusses the reality of our program people constantly bash them and tell them to support Bama.
What's wrong with wanting to compete for championships?
LSU has every quality you need to do this, yet coaching seems to be keeping us down.
It is not the "wanting LSU to do better" that people have issues with....it is the knee-jerk asinine approach that so many take that most logical people have problems with.
Do you really think the coaches DO NOT want to win championships? But sitting behind a key board providing "expert" insight after the fact with a very limited insight to the total picture is silly. You, or any other rant contributor, DO NOT KNOW MORE THAN THE COACHES--really, you don't.
The illogical connections people make and so are the illogical expectations.
The inconsistency in the comment of CLM do not lend to credibility. When we win he is lucky or because of Chavis or Cam....When we lose it is because of CLM. This built in bias tends to lessen the quality of one's comment. Give CLM the credit for all the wins and the losses---he's a big boy. Stop lessening the wins as "rent a wins". LSU probably plays one of the toughest schedules in the country--especially the past 10-years.
Stop foolishly harping on "single" plays in a game as the reason we lost a game, which goes back to the "it is all Miles' fault". For example, the 2012 Alabama game--fake FG and the Ware Cat were not the reasons we lost. We lost because we gave up a touchdown with 90-seconds left in the game. The BCSNCG rematch with Bama...the constant whining about not playing JL. It is dumb. Almost as dumb as still not being grown up enough to move on.
Wanting better is not wrong. I am 100% sure the coaches want better too, but I would put my faith in coaches to make the right decisions before I would put my faith in some of "window-lickers" of his fan base.
There is one coach that has done better than CLM in the last decade--and he ain't returning. For all his accomplishments, he is also very fortunate. He got a rematch, and he was 2 tackles away (2012 and 2014) from not creating that legacy. Things fell his way and he capitalized and he reaps the benefits; however, don't for a minute assume there is a great disparity between the two programs. Everything that program does is about creating championships--real or mythical. Perhaps, CLM's program is more about developing men who win on the field and succeed in life.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:03 pm to ItsThatDude12
I was responding to your original post and not the 29 pages. I agree this needs to be put to bed but this is a message board and the same topic will be posted again in a few days with a different title but same old song.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:16 pm to ItsThatDude12
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I just hope these coaches can adjust
Good God, you actually think there is something you could tell Miles, Cam and the other offensive coaches that they don't already know!
That's too fricking hilarious!
Posted on 12/18/14 at 7:35 pm to LSU Groupee
I'm not here to argue back and forth, but watching the Arkansas game. Our best player had 4 carries, and we were down 17 still running the ball directly into the teeth of a 8-9 man front.
On some occasions I feel like a few things could be suggested no necessarily by a poster on a message board. He's paid millions, but to act like he's all knowing and perfect in every aspect is very naive otherwise coaches would never be fired.
Also, if we aren't allowed to judge or comment on LSU football, coaching, recruiting, play calling, clock management then what is the point of this message board?
On some occasions I feel like a few things could be suggested no necessarily by a poster on a message board. He's paid millions, but to act like he's all knowing and perfect in every aspect is very naive otherwise coaches would never be fired.
Also, if we aren't allowed to judge or comment on LSU football, coaching, recruiting, play calling, clock management then what is the point of this message board?
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:08 pm to JaxTiger10
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Thats play calling. Thats not a change in scheme
maybe it wasn't a change it scheme but it was something much bigger, a change in philosophy. We didn't just line up and say we don't care if you know what we are running or not, we are going to impose our will on you and out execute you, physically dominate you, beat you up, knock your dick in the dirt, etc. Yes we still tried to execute and be physical but we added a huge new element. Thinking. Deception. Misdirection. Whatever type of offense other teams in the SEC, the NFL, and all major colleges run, they all have that element. It's something LSU hasn't done in the last couple of years since Cam arrived. But in the Texas A&M game, LSU actually ran a real offense. Gives great hope for the future direction of the program that the coaches finally realized that that element is needed.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:33 pm to ItsThatDude12
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but to act like he's all knowing and perfect in every aspect is very naive
Of course it is, and any sane coach would agree with you. Many of these Pumpers have a religious mentality. It doesn't seem to matter what is said, they've already made up their minds that Miles is always right and completely above any criticism. It is a totally deranged idea.
Miles admits mistakes, as any sane person with any sense of honorability does, but some of these Pumpers don't seem to acknowledge that. They rationalize the situation to the point of giving him infallible status. Bizarre.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:35 pm to boxcar willie
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But in the Texas A&M game, LSU actually ran a real offense. Gives great hope for the future direction of the program that the coaches finally realized that that element is need
Holy shite. Running 3 jet sweeps and 4 read options isnt some huge shift in anything. Its two plays we always ran with a mobile qb.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:38 pm to inadaze
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Miles admits mistakes, as any sane person with any sense of honorability does, but some of these Pumpers don't seem to acknowledge that. They rationalize the situation to the point of giving him infallible status. Bizarre.
No one on this site thinks Miles is infallible. Good god.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:48 pm to JaxTiger10
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No one on this site thinks Miles is infallible.
There are two posts on this page that put him above criticism.
Here is another similar post I read on the Rant recently:
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He has far more information about them than you ever will about any football player, and he is far more capable of evaluating and applying that information than you are. Even when his ultimate decision does not work or your conclusion does work, your judgment is still not as accurate as his.
If people can't tell Miles something that he doesn't already know, as LSU Groupee said, and even when he's wrong he's right -- what is that?
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 8:55 pm to inadaze
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people can't tell Miles something that he doesn't already know, as LSU Groupee said, and even when he's wrong he's right -- what is that?
Just because a coach is beyond reproach by message board people (i dont believe this) doesn't mean he cant make a mistake.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:18 pm to JaxTiger10
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Holy shite. Running 3 jet sweeps and 4 read options isnt some huge shift in anything. Its two plays we always ran with a mobile qb.
Define "always".
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:45 pm to JaxTiger10
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Holy shite. Running 3 jet sweeps and 4 read options isnt some huge shift in anything. Its two plays we always ran with a mobile qb.
rewatch the game. It was much bigger than that. We threw on 1st and 2nd down. Put a man in motion. Used the shotgun and pistol formations a good bit. Used misdirection on running plays. In our limited pass attempts we threw to a wide variety of players and position groups. It was big and something that can be built on. If we further develop a modern offense philosophy I believe we will once again be a team that can compete in the SEC and on a national level. Suddenly the outlook for LSU football looks a whole lot brighter. Further more, an offense like that can lead to an effective passing game as it puts the QB's and recievers in much better positions to successfully complete a forward pass.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 9:46 pm to ItsThatDude12
Because most have forgot what is takes to win championships which starts with coaching an effective offense.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:32 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Because most have forgot what is takes to win championships which starts with coaching an effective offense.
You really know your football.
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You seem to have forgot who is QBing this team. Don't be fooled by smoke and mirrors.
It irks me that they still let you post on here.
Eta: I'm not saying that the way tidefans runs their site is right, but I understand it.
This post was edited on 12/18/14 at 10:35 pm
Posted on 12/18/14 at 10:44 pm to ItsThatDude12
If teams that were "supposed" to be great every year were great then Texas would win the national championship every year. But that's not the world we live in. Texas is awful. God damn horse shite Bama is great. And we've been good but not great for the past few years. I hope we'll get back on top. I believe we will. And I don't think Miles is the problem.
Posted on 12/18/14 at 11:13 pm to inadaze
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If people can't tell Miles something that he doesn't already know
The chances that you or me know something about college football that a offense staff with maybe 75 years of experience between them living and breathing the game 24-7 with the team is probably a 1000 to one or more.
If it helps you to sleep better at night to think you have an insight into the game they don't, enjoy your delusion.
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